Foolish NATO generals want war, not peace

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Nehemiah6

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Appeasement. Chamberlain. Open up the highway for Putin...
And that's a silly remark. You still don't understand the folly of the reckless and foolish Western threats. 'In a two-hour speech before an audience of lawmakers and top officials, Putin cast Western leaders as reckless and irresponsible and declared that the West should keep in mind that “we also have the weapons that can strike targets on their territory, and what they are now suggesting and scaring the world with, all that raises the real threat of a nuclear conflict that will mean the destruction of our civilization.” Putin’s remarks were not “off-the-cuff.”'
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/putin-sends-nato-members-warning/
 

wolfwint

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I get it. Russian man bad.
Russian man wants to rule White Russia. The scoundrel!

I would just like to point out that Russia is already a world empire. They have been for a very long time.
Only God can stop that.
I talk from Putin! That he want reunit russia with bela rus and ucraine he said by himself!! Thats not my idea. Thats the reason he begin the war against ucraine. But he expectet not
that they defend it as they did.
 

wolfwint

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You are against the AFD ??
Why?
You support the EU?
Why?
I am against AFD because they are to far right.(neo nazism) They are against jews.
They are against non germans.
I am not supporting the EU.
 

JohnDB

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I get it. Russian man bad.
Russian man wants to rule White Russia. The scoundrel!

I would just like to point out that Russia is already a world empire. They have been for a very long time.
Only God can stop that.
Russia is not an evil empire even if Ronald Reagan claimed it to be true.
However,
Russia is not a world empire. Not since the USSR collapsed and fell apart. It went through three different currencies before its current currency was stable enough to hold value. It's currently back to being unstable again due to sanctions. I don't see it recovering anytime soon. In fact reserves ought to be running out very soon. Let's see what happens when soldiers do not get paid what was promised or rampant inflation makes their pay worthless.

Currently in the USA over 75% of the population desires for Ukraine to win this conflict, retain their stolen lands, and for Russia to go home. Same with Israel. They want the Palestinians to curl up and die or go elsewhere and leave Israel alone.

Sorry....but that's the truth.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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European leaders wanted to erase borders and destroy national identities. Then the hypocritical parasites howl about Ukraine's borders.
Ukraine is really not my problem.
 

Nehemiah6

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I talk from Putin! That he want reunit russia with bela rus and ucraine he said by himself!!
Belarus is already a very close ally of Putin and Russia. And Ukraine was a part of the Russian empire as well as the Soviet Union for a long time. But Putin never said he wants to annex Western Europe, or rule the world. He simply wants to restore the Russian empire (rightly or wrongly).
 

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And that's a silly remark. You still don't understand the folly of the reckless and foolish Western threats. 'In a two-hour speech before an audience of lawmakers and top officials, Putin cast Western leaders as reckless and irresponsible and declared that the West should keep in mind that “we also have the weapons that can strike targets on their territory, and what they are now suggesting and scaring the world with, all that raises the real threat of a nuclear conflict that will mean the destruction of our civilization.” Putin’s remarks were not “off-the-cuff.”'
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/putin-sends-nato-members-warning/
There is no western threat. It’s a Russian threat.
 

wolfwint

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Belarus is already a very close ally of Putin and Russia. And Ukraine was a part of the Russian empire as well as the Soviet Union for a long time. But Putin never said he wants to annex Western Europe, or rule the world. He simply wants to restore the Russian empire (rightly or wrongly).
I never said he want annex Western europe.
But has the ucraine the right to be a souverain state? If yes, then he should have the right to say No to an Putin regime which will supress an ucraine nationality for to implate an russian nationality.
Not to forget that russia killed more then 4 millions ucraine citizien during the Holodomor. 90 years ago.
 

Eli1

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I'm thinking that it's the ones in Iran and Albania...
:ROFL:
John, Albania is not a fan of Russia even during the Cold War when we were under the communist rule.
The prime minister of Albania even roasted the prime minister of Russia in the U.N. Meeting. :LOL:
I was laughing because Albania is like the size of a neighborhood compared to Russia yet the PM talks like he can do anything to Russia. Lol

During the Cold War there was also an incident with Russia where Albania stole 5 submarines from them. :ROFL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlora_incident
 

Nehemiah6

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But has the ucraine the right to be a souverain state? If yes, then he should have the right to say No to an Putin regime which will supress an ucraine nationality for to implate an russian nationality.
Yes Ukraine had the right to remain a sovereign state, but it failed to take measures to prevent any invasion.

Why did Ukraine and all the countries to the West and South of Russia fail to make a defense alliance after Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014? They had eight years to take all the steps necessary to protect themselves, and jointly they all had the money to do so. Which countries are we talking about? Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine. Plus they could have also asked Norway, Sweden, and Denmark to join them, so that NATO would not even be involved. Had Russia seen a solid defense line to the West and South, it would not have attempted any further invasion.

The reality is that Ukraine has lost this war, but Germany is still trying to interfere, while the USA and UK already have boots on the ground. Read thi article.

'A Complete Disaster For The German Govt' - Scholz Promises Probe Into "Very Serious" Leaked Recording Of Plan To Destroy Crimea Bridge
"Many parts of the conversation revolve around efforts to support the Ukrainians directly – including people on the ground – and thus to play a direct role in attacks on Russia. They are looking for solutions and “tricks” to prevent this from appearing to be the case.
It is clear from the conversation that the Americans and British are already fully, directly and locally involved in the war in Ukraine; we pointed this out a year ago in our article “Sleepwalkers at work: World War 3 has probably already begun” – now the proof is there."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ises-probe-very-serious-leaked-recording-plan

The Germans even acknowledge that their Taurus missiles will make no difference, but they still want to fool around with warfare.
 

wolfwint

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Yes Ukraine had the right to remain a sovereign state, but it failed to take measures to prevent any invasion.

Why did Ukraine and all the countries to the West and South of Russia fail to make a defense alliance after Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014? They had eight years to take all the steps necessary to protect themselves, and jointly they all had the money to do so. Which countries are we talking about? Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine. Plus they could have also asked Norway, Sweden, and Denmark to join them, so that NATO would not even be involved. Had Russia seen a solid defense line to the West and South, it would not have attempted any further invasion.

The reality is that Ukraine has lost this war, but Germany is still trying to interfere, while the USA and UK already have boots on the ground. Read thi article.

'A Complete Disaster For The German Govt' - Scholz Promises Probe Into "Very Serious" Leaked Recording Of Plan To Destroy Crimea Bridge
"Many parts of the conversation revolve around efforts to support the Ukrainians directly – including people on the ground – and thus to play a direct role in attacks on Russia. They are looking for solutions and “tricks” to prevent this from appearing to be the case.
It is clear from the conversation that the Americans and British are already fully, directly and locally involved in the war in Ukraine; we pointed this out a year ago in our article “Sleepwalkers at work: World War 3 has probably already begun” – now the proof is there."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ises-probe-very-serious-leaked-recording-plan

The Germans even acknowledge that their Taurus missiles will make no difference, but they still want to fool around with warfare.
Ok , however, you trust zerohedge, which is known as prorussia.? What is fake and what not?
 

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According to the published mandate of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), they are supposed to find PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS to disputes as noted below from their own website:

MILITARY – NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty – Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome

But now, according to their own generals, they are pushing for war with Russia, instead of negotiating peace.
Senior NATO Official Says There Will Be A Hot War With Russia
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia
"A high ranking NATO official has stated that people in Europe should prepare for a full on war with Russia sometime in the next two decades."

Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of Nato’s Military Committee, told reporters following a meeting of Nato defence chiefs in Brussels that governments need to start putting preparations in place, and that civilians will need to be mobilised on a large scale. [IMAGINE]

In order to provoke Russia:
"NATO will launch its biggest military exercises in decades next week with around 90,000 personnel set to take part in months of drills aimed at showing the alliance can defend all of its territory up to its border with Russia, top officers said."

Now is this not plain foolishness and war-mongering? Just when the conflict in Ukraine should be ended. here come the "smart" NATO generals telling the world "We do not want peace. All we want is war and more war." This will ensure that the West squanders its wealth and its people on useless wars. And NATO wants to involve civilians in their war games.

NATO was relevant as long as the Soviet Union existed. Once the USSR collapsed, there should have been a total re-examination of what should be the role of NATO (if any). Russia under Putin was never a threat to Western Europe. Indeed Russia was supplying oil and gas to European countries.

When Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine was not a member of NATO. Therefore NATO could not technically get involved with Russia. At the same time, the countries bordering the western border of the Russian Federation are not in the North Atlantic --in fact very far from it. Therefore (1) Finland, (2) Estonia, (3)Latvia, (4) Lithuania, (5)Ukraine and (6) even Poland, owed it to themselves that after 2014, they would form their own defense alliance and set up a strong deterrent to Russia along its western border (Belarus is a staunch ally of Russia so it would not be a part of this). Even the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) could have joined this defense alliance, since Russia's Kaliningrad faces them. They could have easily avoided NATO altogether, and thus NATO could not have provoked Russia. But NATO's offer to include Ukraine and Sweden into their membership became a threat to Russia.

Way back in February, 2022, there was a chance of avoiding the war in Ukraine altogether. A peaceful settlement would have meant that Ukraine would lose some territory to Russia. But Russia could have been put on notice that any threat to Ukraine after that would bring down the full force of NATO. But no, Biden and all the Western political leaders hoped to destroy Russia through a proxy war, and they have all miserably failed, after wasting billions of dollars.

"US officials reportedly assess that Ukraine will have to fight a long war and continue efforts to secure as much security assistance as possible for Ukraine before 2025 while expecting that positional fighting may continue in Ukraine until 2026."
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
In fact there was a peace agreement, The Minkst to which they all signed up to which would give Crimea and the eastern regions autonomy Russia, Britain France Germany and Kiev all signed up to it.

The very next day the Ukraine sent the army down to shell the Donbas ... this war is at NATO's door.
 

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What seems to be universally ignored is that Ukraine was offered security guarantees for effectively disarming. The megalomaniac Putin decided to take advantage of perceived NATO weakness and invaded part of Ukraine in 2014. No response of any note from the West. Putin supposedly modernised the Russian army. That it was a complete failure is obvious. A 3 day "special operation" has turned into a death trap for Russian forces.

The idea that NATO has ever been a threat to Russia is just wrong. Tell me one offensive that NATO has launched against Russia ever. NATO was run down, complacent, under resourced and undermanned. Putin thought it was a good time to implement the next state of his grand plan. What he did not count on was that the Ukraine military realised that Putin was about to attack while even Ukraine's government refused to believe it. So a rag tag Ukraine army held off the "second best military in the world". With support from the West, justified in my opinion, Ukraine has held Russia to a deadly stalemate.

Russia brought this whole scenario on itself. Putin imagined that he could bully Ukraine as he had the other countries he's attacked since he took power. Ukraine has surprised everyone, even taking back some of the territory occupied by Russia's initial invasion.

This war should not have happened. Putin should have been warned off in the first place. He should have been compelled to return to pre-2014 borders. Dictators only understand force.

The actual cost of supplying Ukraine is grossly overstated. Much of the weaponry is surplus or obsolete. It is good enough but not cutting edge.

The real victims in the war are the civilians on both sides. Russia is spending so much on the war that basic infrastructure is falling apart and unable to be repaired. Civilians in Ukraine are deliberately targeted by Russia, which is a war crime. Russian men are either fighting at the front or have fled overseas. Ukraine is much the same. And for what? To feed the delusional ambitions of Vladimir Putin, who wants to be known as "Putin the Great". How do I know? He's said so. And he is doing what he can to bring it to pass.

NATO either supports Ukraine to defeat Russia or faces Russia head on with Ukraine under Russian control. Putin cannot back down and NATO cannot afford to let him succeed.
theys Russian people down there in E Ukraine and Kiev were pounding them mercilessly, Putin warned again and again, they saw him mobilise on the border.

all they had to do was to honour their agreements.
 

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theys Russian people down there in E Ukraine and Kiev were pounding them mercilessly, Putin warned again and again, they saw him mobilise on the border.

all they had to do was to honour their agreements.
All Putin had to do was stick to his side of the border. His invasion of Ukraine has zero justification. The West blew it when they allowed Putin to annex Crimea. Putin supposedly modernised his forces in preparation for the invasion of Ukraine. Corruption ensured that the modernisation was mostly a sham. Hence the 3 day war turns into 2 years. And with no end in sight.
 

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All Putin had to do was stick to his side of the border. His invasion of Ukraine has zero justification. The West blew it when they allowed Putin to annex Crimea. Putin supposedly modernised his forces in preparation for the invasion of Ukraine. Corruption ensured that the modernisation was mostly a sham. Hence the 3 day war turns into 2 years. And with no end in sight.
Crimea is also Russian people, they voted overwhelmingly to re-join Russia. WHY? because Kiev banned the Russian language which is their language and banned the Russian Orthodox church which is their church.

After the west backed coup de ta in Kiev they ran into the parliament screaming death to the Russian rats and punched all the pro Russian MPs out. They started talking about re-activating their nuclear capability "nuke the Russians" was the cry.

The western media makes me very cross. The BBC went to the Donbas after the shelling to report on the devastation among those poor village and townsfolk. But they got too close to the people for one man who spoke english stepped forward and cried "the Russians will come and save us, you'll see" that was the end of that particular report.

The British Foreign Secretary was in Crimea after the vote and he stood there talking about a "ballot at the barrel of a gun" but all around him the people were cheering and waving their Russian flags, dancing in the square and letting off fireworks.

It's all been a pack of lies.

It may turn out that Putin will turn against Israel and that will be a different story.
 

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Ukraine’s Defeat to Unmask Dirty Secrets of ‘Conflict-Loving’ Western Elites
A series of leaks related to NATO military and intelligence operations in Ukraine demonstrate the West’s futile attempts to intimidate Russia into imploding as they once did with the USSR, Wall Street analyst Charles Ortel told Sputnik.
Germany’s “Luftwaffe” leak has triggered a heated debate in the Western mainstream press, with the Guardian warning that NATO is “growing reckless” over Ukraine. Additionally, Politico has acknowledged that the chatter from the Bundeswehr was not part of a Russian “disinformation” operation, but rather a source of “uncensored information”.
“The leak adds to piles of evidence and reasonable suspicions that US and allied governments/contractors/grantees have abandoned adherence to truth-seeking, in favor of shoving a global governance model by unelected bureaucrats upon the masses inside and outside their home countries,” Wall Street analyst and investigative journalist Charles Ortel told Sputnik.
“Ignoring inconvenient and hard truths about Russia now and concerning her history, Biden and the permanent class of conflict-lovers still seem to believe they can intimidate the Russian Federation into imploding as they once did with the Soviet Union,” he highlighted.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/ukra...ty-secrets-of-conflict-loving-western-elites/

So now even the Leftist Guardian and Politico can see the reality. But Biden now wants to send the cash budgeted for the US military to Ukraine.