Foolish NATO generals want war, not peace
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If you haven't picked the stolen election of 2020 at this late stage in the game, I don't think you've got the ability to discern much about anything or anyone, and probably shouldn't endeavour to claim so ever again. This is not intended as offense - perhaps you are very honest and as you would never stoop so low, you imagine others wouldn't either. There was a very obvious election fraud which occurred in 2020, and we're coming to the culmination of where such corruption leads.
Susanna your delusions are simply amazing. Even many Democrats are admitting that there was election fraud. And he has not picked up the habit of losing, since he has beaten con-artist Nikki Haley in five primaries. The losers are the Leftists since all they can do is steal, kill, and destroy.
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The truth was abandoned long before any current war. Hoax after hoax was perpetrated. But the biggest lie about the Ukraine conflict is that throwing billions of dollars at Ukraine will give them victory. That war is already lost, but the deluded NATO generals and European leaders still won't admit it. And Putin has warned them that they are playing with fire.
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Nope...
Again with more propaganda!!!
It's not billions of dollars as in cash.
It's billions of dollars worth of used equipment. Equipment that is being retired and is usually sold to other nations. Or the equipment is gutted, refurbished, and refitted with new hardware.
Bradley's are a good example. New engine, transmission, guns, axles,tires, armor, and target acquisition but put on an old frame....
The old Bradley's are a $100,000,000 each....the new ones are $200,000,000 each. But the old ones are used so the price tag gets discounted to 5 million dollars. Which we then lend/lease to Ukraine. (Not really a gift)
And one day Ukraine will have to pay for this equipment. During Bush's or Obama's Presidency the UK finally finished paying the US for their lend/lease equipment during WW2.
The truth is extremely limited. Has nuance and facts. Lies can be made up on the spot, they sound byte well, and are completely untrue.
So....you have been a sophist for the Anti-war crowd. And where I do not like war because it makes everyone a loser. There are times that people need to resist. To help save the weaker ones and the children from a horrible future of slavery and usury.
We have a treaty with Ukraine. Both Obama and Trump have ignored the treaty. And even though I'm not a fan of Biden he has actually kept the treaty. (Which is kinda shocking to me....especially after the Afghanistan withdrawal)
And where I understand the holding of Ukraine military aide hostage for border security....it's still unproductive and Biden has thrown up his hands and done nothing except make a public plea on deaf ears. (Meaning he is unable to negotiate and make anything happen....he is truly powerless in his mind)
So....you throw out more sophist rhetoric....oh how wonderful...not. you are being part of the problem and not the solution. Creating wider divisions, hate, anger, and outright lies. That's the fruit of your propaganda.
This is a Christian board...your fruits are supposed to be something completely different.
Again with more propaganda!!!
It's not billions of dollars as in cash.
It's billions of dollars worth of used equipment. Equipment that is being retired and is usually sold to other nations. Or the equipment is gutted, refurbished, and refitted with new hardware.
Bradley's are a good example. New engine, transmission, guns, axles,tires, armor, and target acquisition but put on an old frame....
The old Bradley's are a $100,000,000 each....the new ones are $200,000,000 each. But the old ones are used so the price tag gets discounted to 5 million dollars. Which we then lend/lease to Ukraine. (Not really a gift)
And one day Ukraine will have to pay for this equipment. During Bush's or Obama's Presidency the UK finally finished paying the US for their lend/lease equipment during WW2.
The truth is extremely limited. Has nuance and facts. Lies can be made up on the spot, they sound byte well, and are completely untrue.
So....you have been a sophist for the Anti-war crowd. And where I do not like war because it makes everyone a loser. There are times that people need to resist. To help save the weaker ones and the children from a horrible future of slavery and usury.
We have a treaty with Ukraine. Both Obama and Trump have ignored the treaty. And even though I'm not a fan of Biden he has actually kept the treaty. (Which is kinda shocking to me....especially after the Afghanistan withdrawal)
And where I understand the holding of Ukraine military aide hostage for border security....it's still unproductive and Biden has thrown up his hands and done nothing except make a public plea on deaf ears. (Meaning he is unable to negotiate and make anything happen....he is truly powerless in his mind)
So....you throw out more sophist rhetoric....oh how wonderful...not. you are being part of the problem and not the solution. Creating wider divisions, hate, anger, and outright lies. That's the fruit of your propaganda.
This is a Christian board...your fruits are supposed to be something completely different.
Not altogether. But 28 billion cash has gone to Ukraine. See the charts here.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-muc...tion and,Economy, a German research institute.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-muc...tion and,Economy, a German research institute.
How can the truth about NATO and Ukraine be propaganda and lies? I have posted actual statements regarding this. NATO says it wants endless war while the reality is that Ukraine has already lost the war. So you are the one supporting FOOLISH war-mongering which creates "wider divisions, hate, anger, and outright lies". The only real solution is a peace deal overseen by NATO.
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Since the destructive policies of Joe Biden are impacting on Canada, Canada has as much to say about this as America. "The most up-to-date figures from CBP recorded 189,402 encounters at the northern border in fiscal year 2023. This includes people who arrive at legal points of entry and turn themselves in to request asylum, as well as those who are captured after illegally crossing into the U.S. "
Nope....you have been engaging in sophistry.
NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance...no offensive forces exist inside of NATO. There are no offensive weapons or troops. Everything is defensive. (Unlike what the propaganda would like you to believe)
All of NATO and Russia, with the US leading the charge, created a treaty with Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear weapons. Russia flat out used this disarming to begin a campaign to take and conquer Ukraine once again.
And we have had two Presidents flat out ignore the treaty...doing absolutely nothing or at best doing some token assistance. Not really upholding the treaty at all.
Which is extremely problematic for ANY current or future treaties. Taiwan, Japan, and others have ALL been screaming about the situation behind closed doors for our selfish behavior. (Of course they will ignore their own) They now have license to ignore every treaty they have with the US.
Much of European NATO has been falling down on providing their own defensive equipment. (They have not funded their own militaries as required and expected the US to do everything). Poland has actually done the most and is ready for a fight. They have been screaming at the others that Russia is coming...but the rest still do nothing.
NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance...no offensive forces exist inside of NATO. There are no offensive weapons or troops. Everything is defensive. (Unlike what the propaganda would like you to believe)
All of NATO and Russia, with the US leading the charge, created a treaty with Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear weapons. Russia flat out used this disarming to begin a campaign to take and conquer Ukraine once again.
And we have had two Presidents flat out ignore the treaty...doing absolutely nothing or at best doing some token assistance. Not really upholding the treaty at all.
Which is extremely problematic for ANY current or future treaties. Taiwan, Japan, and others have ALL been screaming about the situation behind closed doors for our selfish behavior. (Of course they will ignore their own) They now have license to ignore every treaty they have with the US.
Much of European NATO has been falling down on providing their own defensive equipment. (They have not funded their own militaries as required and expected the US to do everything). Poland has actually done the most and is ready for a fight. They have been screaming at the others that Russia is coming...but the rest still do nothing.
Sez who? Where's the actual evidence, not just hearsay?
Getting back to the foolish NATO generals, here's the latest word from the Pentagon (of all places);
Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia
This is the single most important, dangerous and highly revealing statement from a top defense official in the West in a long time... It also demonstrates the precarious urgency of the moment and the huge stakes going into the November US election. The world truly stands on the precipice of a nuclear nightmare with the following fresh assertion of Biden's Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who said before Congress on Thursday:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-ukraine-defeated-war-nato-will-be-war-russia
Can you see the reckless foolish of NATO, or are you still under the delusion that their war-mongering will benefit anyone? Putin has already issued a severe warning to the West. But not a single Western politician or general has offered to meet with Putin on neutral ground to defuse the situation.
The solution is very simple. A credible negotiator can sit down with Putin and Zelensky and get them to sign a ONE PAGE peace treaty which says this:
1. Both sides will cease fire immediately.
2, Russia will get to keep Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk.
3. Ukraine will keep the rest of Ukraine
4. Russia will totally withdraw its troops.
5. Ukraine will not be a member of NATO.
6. But NATO will ensure that neither side violates this treaty.
7. The West will stay out of this completely.
Zelensky really has no choice other than to sign this deal. People are sick and tired of "Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine".
Getting back to the foolish NATO generals, here's the latest word from the Pentagon (of all places);
Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia
This is the single most important, dangerous and highly revealing statement from a top defense official in the West in a long time... It also demonstrates the precarious urgency of the moment and the huge stakes going into the November US election. The world truly stands on the precipice of a nuclear nightmare with the following fresh assertion of Biden's Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who said before Congress on Thursday:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-ukraine-defeated-war-nato-will-be-war-russia
Can you see the reckless foolish of NATO, or are you still under the delusion that their war-mongering will benefit anyone? Putin has already issued a severe warning to the West. But not a single Western politician or general has offered to meet with Putin on neutral ground to defuse the situation.
The solution is very simple. A credible negotiator can sit down with Putin and Zelensky and get them to sign a ONE PAGE peace treaty which says this:
1. Both sides will cease fire immediately.
2, Russia will get to keep Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk.
3. Ukraine will keep the rest of Ukraine
4. Russia will totally withdraw its troops.
5. Ukraine will not be a member of NATO.
6. But NATO will ensure that neither side violates this treaty.
7. The West will stay out of this completely.
Zelensky really has no choice other than to sign this deal. People are sick and tired of "Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine".
So being a thug pays off for Putin?
You REALLY don't understand the people of that region or know the history.
Ukraine territory is actually more to the East of the Black Sea....roughly surrounding it. Deep into what has been recently considered (past 80 years) in Russia. When people talk about how communism caused genocide in Russia whom did you think died exactly? Who was killed to cause racial, political, and ethnic purity?
Your mind is full....literally full of Russian propaganda.
Why be a sophist?
Why no independent thought or study?
Why the betrayal of every Christian value?
Why do you want to assist Russia to commit genocide and slavery?
And you have as yet to really refute anything in the video I recently posted....you just keep throwing out more propaganda as if it was true. But it's all been proven to be lies....not by MSM but by people with facts and historical accuracy.
You REALLY don't understand the people of that region or know the history.
Ukraine territory is actually more to the East of the Black Sea....roughly surrounding it. Deep into what has been recently considered (past 80 years) in Russia. When people talk about how communism caused genocide in Russia whom did you think died exactly? Who was killed to cause racial, political, and ethnic purity?
Your mind is full....literally full of Russian propaganda.
Why be a sophist?
Why no independent thought or study?
Why the betrayal of every Christian value?
Why do you want to assist Russia to commit genocide and slavery?
And you have as yet to really refute anything in the video I recently posted....you just keep throwing out more propaganda as if it was true. But it's all been proven to be lies....not by MSM but by people with facts and historical accuracy.
Racial purity?
Don't be absurd. The Russians are not the monsters you imagine them to be.
After spewing out that concoction of half-truths, absolute lies and blind prejudice you are worried about Russian propaganda??
Do you have any idea how irrationally hateful you sound? The Soviet Communist regime collapsed over 30 years ago.
The Russians are historically and currently an Orthodox Christian Nation.
The Russian Federation is far from US borders. There was a regional dispute, NATO should have stayed out of it.
WOW....another one!
Ever been to a Russian "Orthodox Christian" church? Heard or read any translated service?
Back centuries ago most of the Slavic, Romanian, and Russian regions kicked out the Church...when the Catholic Church ruled the world. And they had good reasons too at the time. I would done the same thing if I was in their shoes.
The current "Orthodox Christian" church in Russia are currently nothing more than political government functionaries. There is no Bible reading (because it's very discouraged and can get you arrested for treason) the weekly sermons are about how to be a better communist Russian citizen....nothing about God, Jesus, repentance from sin, or staying away from vodka and etc. Nada...nothing like that at all. Putin is often mentioned....and other Government leaders and how they are absolutely wonderful people that everyone should revere them. All evangelical church congregants have been imprisoned, killed, or become exiles. There are still a few underground evangelicals in Russia. I'm not going to tell you anything more than that because I'm not a traitor to the faith I hold dear.
So explain to me how this is acceptable and how Russia is such a lovely place.
Ever been to a Russian "Orthodox Christian" church? Heard or read any translated service?
Back centuries ago most of the Slavic, Romanian, and Russian regions kicked out the Church...when the Catholic Church ruled the world. And they had good reasons too at the time. I would done the same thing if I was in their shoes.
The current "Orthodox Christian" church in Russia are currently nothing more than political government functionaries. There is no Bible reading (because it's very discouraged and can get you arrested for treason) the weekly sermons are about how to be a better communist Russian citizen....nothing about God, Jesus, repentance from sin, or staying away from vodka and etc. Nada...nothing like that at all. Putin is often mentioned....and other Government leaders and how they are absolutely wonderful people that everyone should revere them. All evangelical church congregants have been imprisoned, killed, or become exiles. There are still a few underground evangelicals in Russia. I'm not going to tell you anything more than that because I'm not a traitor to the faith I hold dear.
So explain to me how this is acceptable and how Russia is such a lovely place.
Another one what?
I would prefer to discuss the history and culture of the East with someone who is a bit less blinkered and more familiar
with it. I mentioned that The Russians are Christian and that triggered you. I don't know why you are so bothered that the
whole nation, culture, history and experience of Russians are different.
Regarding the main topic. The United States started a war that could have been avoided.
US lead NATO could have tried to negotiate with Putin by now. They haven't.
I would prefer to discuss the history and culture of the East with someone who is a bit less blinkered and more familiar
with it. I mentioned that The Russians are Christian and that triggered you. I don't know why you are so bothered that the
whole nation, culture, history and experience of Russians are different.
Regarding the main topic. The United States started a war that could have been avoided.
US lead NATO could have tried to negotiate with Putin by now. They haven't.
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