Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

That was an entirely different non-Biblical thread. Why are you "comparing apples and oranges"? Just to be spiteful?

Faith comes by HEARING. HEARING must be given.

Faith comes by HEARING. HEARING must be given.

Faith comes by HEARING. HEARING must be given.

In my personal belief.

I believe as the Gospel of Christ is being preached, as we hear it the Holy Spirit imparts the Faith. Because of that imparted Faith we have the ability to Believe.

But if there is no preaching and hearing of the Gospel of Christ, there is no imparting of Faith to believe.

So anyone who has ever been saved first Heard the Gospel of Christ. And this is why Paul makes it clear in a couple of places that Hearing produces Faith.

When preachers preach, if they do it properly, they do it under the influence and leading of the Spirit. So those words spoken have spiritual emphasis to them. And the way God created us, when our ears hear it, it's a doorway to the heart. Which the Spirit of God begins working on you. This ultimately leads to Faith and then belief in Jesus. It causes us to Repent and be filled with the Spirit of God.

But it all begins with people "must" be in the presence of the Gospel of Christ being preached so it can be heard.

This disagreement is much the same as the one made of Baptism. Do you need to believe before baptism? I don't think so, but discuss it with a Baptist and they have a totally different view.

I think that both are very important, but as a member of a reformed church, I believe children should be baptized because they are covenant children. However, I would not require this for parents who believed otherwise.

In the same way, I would agree that faith comes from hearing. Hearing is required, but I also also think it involves a working of the Spirit to become effective in the heart of a non-believer!

It's kind of like the old argument “which came first the chicken or the egg".

It's not our hearing. It's not talking about natural auditory hearing. It is hearing and understanding. 3000 were gloriously saved on Pentecost. Myriads more were not. They all heard the same message. But the 3000 were pricked in their hearts at the hearing of the message. Thousands upon thousands heard audibly, but did not hear spiritually. They were not pricked in the heart and did not respond. The difference was that one group was given hearing as Jesus suggested in the parable and were converted while the other didn't.

Did you not read the part I said when the Gospel is preached, the way God created us, when our ears hear it, it's a doorway to the heart?

That's not a natural thing happening. When I discuss the issues of this specific thread, I never am speaking of natural senses but the way God created us so when we are in the presence of the Gospel preached, a spiritual connection is made.

I don't understand what you mean by...the way God created us.

Faith comes by HEARING. HEARING must be given.

Luke 24:27 + 31

We are made in God's Image and Likeness. We are made with a spirit. So when the Gospel is preached, our spirit is drawn to it even if the flesh is not. The flesh is always battling the spirit.

No human's spirit wants eternal damnation.
The flesh doesn't care what the spirit wants.

That sounds like heaven to me 😊
would that be the eyes of the heart 😊

I believe we are dead spiritually, being dominated by Satan, and doomed in our fallen estate...Ephesians 2:1-3. So what died in Adam and Eve was their ability to relate to God on a spiritual level. There is nothing left in us to seek after God...Romans 3:11.
In this estate, we can know there is a God through creation and conscience...Romans 1:19-20, but cannot know Him intimately because we are dead in trespasses and sin.
Because I believe these things, I believe we must first be quickened to be able to respond. And I believe God does this very thing in salvation.

One explanation is this
In the Bible the heart is considered the seat of life or strength. Hence, it means mind, soul, spirit, or one's entire emotional nature and understanding.

The Bible distinguishes between the mind, heart, and will, particularly in salvation. Acts 2:37...when they heard this...mind, they were pricked in their hearts...heart...and said...what shall we do...the will. God engages with the whole man in salvation.