Women Pastors

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I'm asking you is the word pastor in the bible.

Is it a pastor or a minister that is in the bible.

Who is allowed to minister according to the bible

Secondly who else is the body of Christ and the church,

Is it a building that is the body of Christ, or it his children.

Can you qualify your statement, or is it just another one of those private views

But Jesus already told us how He sees things. I don't need to pray for the Bible to written, it was already completed 2000 years ago.

I'm still in the waiting room, hoping somebody liberates me from my confusion. All I need to set me free, is a single shred of evidence for the existence of Children in the Church.

God doesn't forbid Ministers from writing letters to families and acknowledging the children with their well wishes. I notice John didn't extend an invitation to the children to join the Church

Notice how Perter asserts that the people in question were never saved at all. He said they merely escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and savior.

There is no suggestion these people were saved at any point. Escaping the pollution of the world, suggests they heard the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they realized that they had been deceived by the lies (pollution) of the world. And after some time they were once again entangled and (deceived) by the world.

That verse is describing how the vast majority of the world deal with the gospel. They hear it and acknowledge that it makes sense and they may show outward signs of faith, but it doesn't last long and they soon abandon their faith and go back to the prostitutes and wine that they always loved anyway.

The other scriptures you mentioned also deal with outward false professions of faith, just like that of Judas.

The main lesson in the story of the parodical son, was regarding his brothers jealousy. Jesus told that that true story to reassure sinners that the Father is merciful and He does forgive His children if they repent. The brother who relied on his own good works and righteous, was condemned by God.

Our best works are as filthy rags in Gods sight. That's why the outward works based salvation is never good enough to be acceptable to God. Only the atoning work of the Lord on the cross is sufficient to save us. Anyone who tries to add their own works to the finished work of Christ on the cross, will be rejected by God.

It's a great insult to the Lord, for anyone to suggest that the Lord needs our good works to complete what Jesus already completed.

The problem with that verse is that you have misapplied it. Jesus knows the Children won't come to Him,, asking for membership. Children to to have fun, they're not interested in living a serious life where they can't hang out with their friends and play games.
Children don't have the mental capacity to understand the gospel message. They need to be given time to mature, then maybe one day when their brain is developed enough to connect the dots, they may apply for membership. But the Church still has the last word and it can reject the application, even after maturity.

I know the word is not in the Bible, but that doesn't matter. Everyone knows what it means and nobody seems to have a problem understanding it's meaning except for you.

Only those who were ordained were allowed to lead Churches in the Bible. Sorry to tell you but no women were allowed to be teachers in the Church in Bible times. They had to stay silent, let alone teach or preach or shepherd or what ever other title you want to impose on the scripture.

There are three groups of people in the Church. 1. All the Saints who died. 2. All the living Saints. 3. All the saints that are yet to be born. Don't let this truth depress you, just because you can't see two of the groups. Rest assured God sees and knows every single one intimately

Firstly I ain't said anything else other than what I have asked.

Which so far you have yet to answer.


Question 1 which word is in the bible,

Pastors or ministers

Question two

Who is the church of Christ.

Is it a building or his people.

Question 3 is a sister allowed to minister

Yes or no.

So this is all I've asked at this moment in time to you.

I haven't suggested anything else at this stage.

So are you able to answer theses questions.

Nobody “applies for membership” in the Church. You get in by believing in Jesus, which is what many millions of children have done.

so if a teenager comes to you and asks you how to be saved, your answer is "wait till later, zero hope for you now"?

is this what you tell your own children?

last i checked Salvation is through Christ Jesus alone, not 'church membership applications'
we had this whole thing, called the reformation, maybe you've heard of it lol

You have been so misled by someone, or simply not yet received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit who gives to those He will the "spiritual" understanding of Scripture so they are able to feast on the true meat of Gods Written Word. I have dealt with this many times here, and I simply can not be bothered to show you how the Scriptures you posted you are understanding with a "physical" understanding. An earthly understanding. Just as Paul said when he taught about having fed believers with milk and honey for they were not able yet to feast on the meat of Gods Word.

Go in peace

Oh dear.... my hunch was correct. You are unwilling to pray a VERY simple prayer for Jesus to give you the right mindset for ministry.

You are leaning on your own understanding rather than allowing the Spirit of God to work in you. It's not so much WHAT you seem to believe, but how you have been conveying it that concerns me. You seem to be taking joy in your supposed qualification to reject people from coming to Jesus. I will pray that some day you have an actual walk with Jesus where you are humble enough to beg Him to renew your mind and give you His mindset on all matters. Often the ugliest sins we commit aren't outside the body, but inside our hearts and minds. ALL of us need Him to work in us to make us more like Him and equip us to do His work. It's not a one-time thing, but something we need our whole lives as He reveals more and more to us.

I don't plan to reply again, I'm rather busy and I think I would be wasting my time.

I think you're kind of putting a yoke on him to expect him to pray for something that you think he should pray for. I don't really know why a child couldn't believe in Jesus though.

1 John 2 was brought up, here's what it says in the KJV,

1 John 2:12-13 (KJV)

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

Depending on how you read this you might read it like John was addressing children. John begins the chapter with "My little children" though, so I think the proper way to read it might be that he is using "little children" the same way he used it at the beginning of the chapter, which may not include children at all.

I have already posted it. It's not my problem that you didn't read it.

Your capacity for insulting far outweighs your capacity for understanding.

I already responded to this.

Given that you have chosen to be an ignorant jackdonkey on this subject, I see no point in further effort to educate you.

You have no Scripture to prove your point. LOL @ private view.

Furthermore, your view seeks to limit God.

Actually is his NOT saying that at all.

He is clearly saying they were saved after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

There is only ONE way to escape the corruption of this world and that is getting born again and being translated from darkness into the kingdom of God's dear son

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.




Those rejecting the plain reading of 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 that very clearly tell us church leaders are to be men are the ones not being led by the Holy Spirit and have had their eyes of their understanding darkened by the forces of darkness.




I read it and it ignores the rest of what God says on this subject in His Word which is being one of those cherry pickers who has to ignore or explain away other passages that don't agree with their preconceived ideas.

People doing this are the reason we have so much false doctrine floating around such as women can be pastors and sit in authority over a congregation. They open themselves up to demons by rejecting what God says in His Word.




Those that ignore portions of God's Word just because they don't agree with it should be ignored as their viewpoint is faulty and inspired by demons.




I don't accept "education" that requires one to ignore what God says in favor of following the darkened wisdom of man




That's pretty funny. 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 tell us very clearly that men are to be church leaders not women.

I think the writers were just using male-centric language and that there are in fact sons and daughters of God.

If scripture say, 'let no man deceive you," it isn't saying 'only some men won't but all women will' it says "no man (including any woman)" But this is the same logic used of those that hold to only men can be deacons while ignoring Pheobe's title as a lady deacon.