Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

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Rainrider

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Yes. The life and teachings of Christ are for Christians to follow. At the same time His teachings were developed in the rest of the New Testament. When Christians "walk in the Spirit" they do what Christ wants. And we cannot forget that His righteousness is imputed to us when we are justified by grace through faith.
So if any passage in the WHOLE of scripture stands in conflict with the teachings of Yeshua, that only shows that Yeshua didn't teach it the right way? Should we not understand every passage in the Word in light of every other passage? After all it was Yeshua that said,

Mat 12:25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

When we place scripture against scripture are we not attempting to divide The Word in a way it was never intended?
One last question, Can you develop my teachings for me, or would you simply be teaching the same thing just in your own way?
 

Cameron143

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If you look closer you will see that I also said that is why forgiveness is given.
Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that you are teaching people to obey in their own strength, and not in God's strength.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Now lets put this thread where it should be. We are here to look at how Yeshua lived His life, and only that.
As has been made clear, it is understood that Yeshua lived His life by the laws given by HaShem. Fulfilling the Prophets, in every detail. Yet not all prophecy has been fulfilled, so by the teachings of Yeshua have not been removed.
The best way to do this in my mind, is to start with the book of John. So lets go there and open with that.

Jhn 1:1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

What is the Word? many say the word is what was given at Mount Sinai. We see this as true for one reason. The Word was given verbally to all that were there. Oh sure it scared them, and they told Moses to go and get the teachings, and then tell them. (Not word for word, though the teaching is intacked. )
Others say it was the words spoken by HaShem to create everything. Again we agree with this. before anyone tries to say we can't have it both ways, I ask why not? Both are HaShem speaking, and both hold His Word. I do ask that you keep in mind that Yeshua and HaShem are for all intent one and the same. However there is also a human side of Yeshua. That part of Him that opened the door for us to See HaShem in Him.

Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Now I have seen some attempt to use this to say, "See the Jewish people know, and so they were rejected." That however isn't true as we will see in time.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2 things to look at here. First, are we not all HaShem's children? In fact we are, after all without Him not one of us would have even been born. Even though some may wish to remove HaShem, the Word, and Yeshua from the face of the earth. They still wouldn't be here if not for Him.
The other. Why would John say even them that believe...? Do we not have to believe to become a child of HaShem? For some that answer is YES. Yet John seen fit to make the distinction.

Jhn 1:14¶And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

In this passage we find that Yeshua became human. To some this would show that He faced the same sinful nature we face. Yet He over came that side of human nature, showing us that we could as well. Sadly however we seem to sin no matter what we do.
As one reads through this chapter many things come to light. First is that even before they had seen His power in action, they knew who He was.
When we turn we will move into the Teachings of Yeshua. After all it is through them that we learn HOW HE LIVED HIS LIFE.
I did this by pointing out how Jesus lived is by what He taught and confirmed by those who heard Him.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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I hope my confusion on that didn't change your mind. There is always some misunderstanding in any discussion. The best we can do is work it out. No matter, we are the same page I think.
All is good here and we're good (y)
 

vassal

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All of this is already presented in the Gospels, to the degree that God will have us know certain things. For example, nothing about Christ is written for the period between his 12th birthday and His age at approximately 30 years. So you would actually be reproducing the Gospels (which is unnecessary).
It is necessary to remind people, who Jesus, the messiah, the son of GOD IS. Too many people forget his teachings. A study on Jesus's life can only be a good thing for everyone.
 

Magenta

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Should we forsake Christianity and convert to Judaism to follow Christ as he lived?
Nobody can practice Judaism as Jesus did, and if they say they can or do, they are lying.
 

vassal

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He casts stones with almost every post and then basically says that is not what we should be doing. Pathetic, really.
Magenta, you are the expert at casting stones at everyone who do not believe as you do so look at yourself first before accusing others.
 

Magenta

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Should I be surprised that @vassal disagrees with the gospel message? Probably not :oops::censored::cry:

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vassal

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Yes. The life and teachings of Christ are for Christians to follow. At the same time His teachings were developed in the rest of the New Testament. When Christians "walk in the Spirit" they do what Christ wants. And we cannot forget that His righteousness is imputed to us when we are justified by grace through faith.
did Jesus teachings really need any development ?
 

vassal

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Should I be surprised that @vassal disagrees with the gospel message? Probably not :oops::censored::cry:

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You follow the Gospel of Paul, I follow the gospel of Christ, maybe one day if the Lord wills it you will see the differences. Grace alone will not save you that is a doctrine of paul. You know the words of Jesus ; if you love me follow my commandments yet you refuse his words.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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did Jesus teachings really need any development ?
Not at all.
Think about it, Jesus spoke, later His Disciples confirmed what He said. Hebrews 2:3.

The rest of the New Testament is basically the Structure of the Church and how the Holy Spirit works + future Prophecy.
 

Adstar

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Yet He lived His life in the way that we should walk did He not? If so, then should we not live our life as He showed us?
He gave the best example how to live a life.. And thats not surprising because He was and still is a perfect Being.. So yes we should strive to follow The LORDs example. But we all know, non of us is perfect like He is.. So no one can live a perfect life like He did.. Thats why we need His Atonement for our failures in our lives..