Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Jesus Fulfills the Law
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Should we accept His fulfilment of the law? or should we be left to fulfil it ourselves?
I am wondering if the laws concerning vows (Numbers 30) somehow relates to how salvation works out...
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Should we accept His fulfilment of the law? or should we be left to fulfil it ourselves?
I am wondering if the laws concerning vows (Numbers 30) somehow relates to how salvation works out...
I'm not against if...then proposals in general. And God has done many if...then proposals. The old covenant was an if...then proposal. If you obey, blessing. If you disobey...cursing.
That's not the question.
God can do as He pleases. He is sovereign. But He is also just. So I'm asking, is it just of God to accept Jesus' payment on someone's behalf, and then still require that individual to make the payment a second time?
That's not the question.
God can do as He pleases. He is sovereign. But He is also just. So I'm asking, is it just of God to accept Jesus' payment on someone's behalf, and then still require that individual to make the payment a second time?
You've asked me to frame "just" according to your notion of it. How can I be sure that either of us can adequately establish God's perimeters in his judgement of justice?
If Jesus died for the sins of the world, but the whole world isn't saved from their sin, then it is not his atonement that is missing anything, we are missing something. But I don't know what keeps people from considering what this might be.
If Jesus died for the sins of the world, but the whole world isn't saved from their sin, then it is not his atonement that is missing anything, we are missing something. But I don't know what keeps people from considering what this might be.
@selahsays
Actually the only condition for believing is that Christ died for you . His being lifted up to die draws people He was lifted up for to believe.
So those people He didnt die for, will not believe, Jesus says of them Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. He died for His Sheep ! So His dying and their believing are in sync
Actually the only condition for believing is that Christ died for you . His being lifted up to die draws people He was lifted up for to believe.
So those people He didnt die for, will not believe, Jesus says of them Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. He died for His Sheep ! So His dying and their believing are in sync