Predestination is misunderstood...

Not sure when regeneration takes place. It is prior to salvation but not necessarily long before it.

None of these verses is speaking about salvation. Actually, Paul is addressing those who are already saved. The adoption is not salvation. The adoption is clearly defined as a future event. Scripture defines the adoption as the redemption of our body (Rom. 8:23). There's no predestination without salvation coming first. Not one person is predestinated to be in Christ. It's just not there.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

There's no word of Salvation without predestination.

Faith IN the work of Jesus on our behalf is the vehicle/means for salvation.
God responds to faith, those are His terms, scripture is very clear on this from start to finish.
Faith is simply believing it is not a special word only found in the Bible.

To you its not speaking of salvation. Im not here showing your views

Thats sounds like works, and God responding to someone ?? Thats definitely not right. Faith/Believing in Christ is Gods work in a individual Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God[in you], that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

If man could believe in Christ on his own, then he does Gods work. However man cannot believe on Christ on his own Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Drawing him to believe in Christ is Gods work

Nobody is sure when it takes place, but point being made is this, it has taken place to the ones who are made prepared spiritually to receive the Truth. Illustrated here Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Good ground is the new regenerated heart, its now prepared spiritually to hear and receive the Truth and bear fruit

Thats sounds like works, and God responding to someone ?? Thats definitely not right. Faith/Believing in Christ is Gods work in a individual Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God[in you], that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

If man could believe in Christ on his own, then he does Gods work. However man cannot believe on Christ on his own Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Drawing him to believe in Christ is Gods work

Man still had the truth in them in there fallen state.

All tho they where dead in there trespasses they still had the truth in them.

I can show you this in scripture.

There reason they died was because sin entered into them.

But still they had the truth in them.

Which means God for knows everything in everyone and those whom are willing to repent.

Man is able to still believe in his fallen state because they still have the truth in them.

Regeneration is no different to being refined.

And all faith is refined.

And every sentence I quote here I can back up with scripture, if ye want me to show you.

You've assumed a lot like this.

I'm wait for this, for you many times.

I'm accept this apology but this is not good.

This time I'm asking this question now.

If where living in a past time behind God, then How are we.


Forget about free will

Let's just address being free.

How are we free.

Get yourself a good pastor teacher dummy! Time travel can be demonic....
It may save you on simple things at first... to get you to believe it will save you later when you most need it.

Its the deception. It first wants you to get others to following you and your time traveling insights....

Then he takes the whole bunch of you down at once.

God may comfort us by knowing the future... up to a point. And, for some He has done that.

Get a good pastor teacher or you are nothing more than a sign in front of a building telling people to come in for psychic readings.
Or, maybe guide you in how to get ahead in the Devil's world.

I wanted nothing to do with it..... I wanted to know Christ. He guides my life. Jesus warned if you want to save your life that you will lose it.... Time travel when sought for is a desire to save your life.


You need to know this..... Acts 16:16-18.


Get yourself an excellent pastor teacher and stick with the Word for the rest of your life.
Otherwise, you are just a servant girl of the devil.

I make no apologies. For you are in trouble, and have been troubling of Christians..... The Devil can show you Scripture.
But he can not show the insight needed to have it be one with you. All you have been displaying is that you are aware of what Scripture states in English. But you run away from having a sound understanding of it.... And, want us to play kick ball with your
misunderstanding.. And, then accuse us of lacking Christian love when we smell what is beneath the skin you cover yourself with.

The Holy Spirit came down upon Jesus like a dove. Not like a bolt of lightning! Jesus said he saw Satan cast down to earth like lightning....

I pray you find an excellent pastor to teach you God's ways that you have yet to understand.
So far you can not understand Genesis 3.



No apologies for telling the truth...
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What are we predestined to?

The "drawing" of God does not fix something, but gives a chance by pointing to God. All creation points to the Creator.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

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I don't disagree. It was the point I was making.

Man still had the truth in them in there fallen state.

All tho they where dead in there trespasses they still had the truth in them.

I can show you this in scripture.

There reason they died was because sin entered into them.

But still they had the truth in them.

Which means God for knows everything in everyone and those whom are willing to repent.

Man is able to still believe in his fallen state because they still have the truth in them.

Regeneration is no different to being refined.

And all faith is refined.

And every sentence I quote here I can back up with scripture, if ye want me to show you.

Rabbit trail

I think that scripture alone proves regeneration before faith. The heart must be good to receive the word and understand it Spiritually and bring forth fruit, one fruit being Faith

I do too. I believe the pricking of the heart in Acts 2:37 is the circumcision of the heart.

I do too. I believe the pricking of the heart in Acts 2:37 is the circumcision of the heart.

Yes I believe those subjects there in Acts 2:37 had already been made alive Spiritually, and they now sought Spiritual guidance which they would not have in a unregenerate state.

It came by HEARING the Gospel Preached first.

It came by HEARING the Gospel Preached first.