Why do you think Judas actually betrayed Jesus?

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Socreta93

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Obviously the easy answer was that he was greedy but it has to be deeper than that right? He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver which. Some scholars have proposed different interpretations, with the low end being around $90 and the high end being closer to $450. Thats how much he sold Jesus for. So was he so greedy he sold him out for some money? Was he underwhelmed by the fact that Jesus didn't come to take down the Romans? Or Satan simply took control of him and it was a necessary evil to fulfill the prophecy? Do you have any theories?
 

Magenta

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He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver
That is the cost of a dead slave as per Exodus 21:32. 30 pieces of silver
was a lot of money, but I do not think it was greed that motivated Judas.
 
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Obviously the easy answer was that he was greedy but it has to be deeper than that right? He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver which. Some scholars have proposed different interpretations, with the low end being around $90 and the high end being closer to $450. Thats how much he sold Jesus for. So was he so greedy he sold him out for some money? Was he underwhelmed by the fact that Jesus didn't come to take down the Romans? Or Satan simply took control of him and it was a necessary evil to fulfill the prophecy? Do you have any theories?
Very little is said about Judas,

Theres no real good reports about him. He looks to have been one of the silent apostles, there may well have been something Judas didn't like about Jesus from the moment of being chosen, that Jesus no doubt picked up on.

Just maybe Jesus always looked upon Judas with doubt, you know like eye balling him always giving him the stare.
 

Socreta93

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Very little is said about Judas,

Theres no real good reports about him. He looks to have been one of the silent apostles, there may well have been something Judas didn't like about Jesus from the moment of being chosen, that Jesus no doubt picked up on.

Just maybe Jesus always looked upon Judas with doubt, you know like eye balling him always giving him the stare.
Read theories on reddit and other places and a theory I've seen was that Judas was political, a zealot who were basically terrorists resisting the Roman occupation of Israel who would assassinate Roman officials He wanted to overthrow Rome and may have wanted power. He may have thought if would force Jesus’s hand, make him stand up to the Herodians and even Rome. But when he realized what he had done, he was ashamed of himself and committed suicide.

It's a theory which makes sense but again the Bible doesn't specify, but I was always interested.
 

Soyeong

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Obviously the easy answer was that he was greedy but it has to be deeper than that right? He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver which. Some scholars have proposed different interpretations, with the low end being around $90 and the high end being closer to $450. Thats how much he sold Jesus for. So was he so greedy he sold him out for some money? Was he underwhelmed by the fact that Jesus didn't come to take down the Romans? Or Satan simply took control of him and it was a necessary evil to fulfill the prophecy? Do you have any theories?
There is certainly a possibility that Judas wanted to force a confrontation between Jesus and the authorities, where he may have expected Jesus to take over.
 
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Read theories on reddit and other places and a theory I've seen was that Judas was political, a zealot who were basically terrorists resisting the Roman occupation of Israel who would assassinate Roman officials He wanted to overthrow Rome and may have wanted power. He may have thought if would force Jesus’s hand, make him stand up to the Herodians and even Rome. But when he realized what he had done, he was ashamed of himself and committed suicide.

It's a theory which makes sense but again the Bible doesn't specify, but I was always interested.
Well i don't think there would have been any person in Isreal that would have not disliked the Romans, after all the Romans where crucifying people in that region by the thousands.

Also I believe that we have to look at betrayal, it's a hard act to forgive. But you know if you deny Gods word, you also betray his word. So in essence everyone is a type of traitor, because everyone is capable, where all born in fallen state. Unless we follow his ways at the age of accountability, the wages for sin is death, so many will deny Jesus, to carry on in sin, or because they see him as a soft touch.



Theres many stories of betrayal of God but they don't get labeled a traitor no only Judas does, it makes you wonder how quick people are to point the finger.

We don't know the full story.

But most certainly satan was following Jesus around, and I know for a fact satan entered Judas, and also satan was doing his up most to divide his disciples from Jesus, There's also an account where satan mimicked Peter and tried to deceive Jesus, but Jesus saw his trick, but the scribe never, the scribe thought it was Peter, but Jesus knew it was Satan mimicking Peter.

It could be Satan mimicked Jesus and appeared as Jesus to Judas and told him to do it, it may even be every time Judas was on his own Satan could have mimicked Jesus and made Judas think all sorts about Jesus.

Satan wanted Jesus dead, he told him to jump of a cliff.

Then theres the demon that appeared as Samuel to Saul, and Saul believed it was Samuel.

So my hunch is satan was appearing as Jesus to Judas and saying horrible things to him.

Making Judas think Jesus was an imposter,
 

Pilgrimshope

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Obviously the easy answer was that he was greedy but it has to be deeper than that right? He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver which. Some scholars have proposed different interpretations, with the low end being around $90 and the high end being closer to $450. Thats how much he sold Jesus for. So was he so greedy he sold him out for some money? Was he underwhelmed by the fact that Jesus didn't come to take down the Romans? Or Satan simply took control of him and it was a necessary evil to fulfill the prophecy? Do you have any theories?
It’s fulfillment of prophecy it’s always fulfillment of prophecy what God said beforehand coming to pass

“And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭11:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, and said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Zechariah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot God was doing this

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The new testement is when all those things began to come to pass and be fuflilled

judas betrayed Jesus because it was written that one of his disciples would betray him God foreknew these things and foretold them

“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:70-71‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:12‬ ‭

“And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:27‬ ‭

“Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭13:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The New Testament is what god foretold in the ot coming to pass it’s just what God said would happen happening
 

NotmebutHim

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The Scriptures plainly say that Satan entered into Judas.

However, I tend to believe that Satan also deceived Judas. We must remember that the devil is a deceiver. That in no way excuses or absolves Judas; he still intended to do what he did. Having said that, I think that Judas didn't fully understand the ramifications/repercussions of his actions; hence why he felt ashamed and went and hanged himself.

Perhaps Satan deluded Judas by giving him false expectations regarding his betrayal of Jesus. Of course, we know how it turned out.
 

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The Scriptures plainly say that Satan entered into Judas.

However, I tend to believe that Satan also deceived Judas. We must remember that the devil is a deceiver. That in no way excuses or absolves Judas; he still intended to do what he did. Having said that, I think that Judas didn't fully understand the ramifications/repercussions of his actions; hence why he felt ashamed and went and hanged himself.

Perhaps Satan deluded Judas by giving him false expectations regarding his betrayal of Jesus. Of course, we know how it turned out.
When Judas took back the money and said he had made a mistake is he repenting? Thanks 😊
 

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Obviously the easy answer was that he was greedy but it has to be deeper than that right? He betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver which. Some scholars have proposed different interpretations, with the low end being around $90 and the high end being closer to $450. Thats how much he sold Jesus for. So was he so greedy he sold him out for some money? Was he underwhelmed by the fact that Jesus didn't come to take down the Romans? Or Satan simply took control of him and it was a necessary evil to fulfill the prophecy? Do you have any theories?
Judas' heart wasn't good. After all the time he spent with the Lord he hadn't really been changed inside. Satan took advantage of this.
 

Magenta

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When Judas took back the money and said he had made a mistake is he repenting? Thanks 😊
No: his was not a Godly sorrow leading to life. Judas' sorrow led him to death.


2 Corinthians 7:10
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Why do you think Judas actually betrayed Jesus?

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.



When Judas took back the money and said he had made a mistake is he repenting?

Yes, but he never went back to Jesus and then he committed suicide so he's in hell now.
 

SunshineGirl

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Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.






Yes, but he never went back to Jesus and then he committed suicide so he's in hell now.
If a person commit suicide do they not make heaven? Thanks
 

Magenta

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I always think it must have been so hard for Jesus to be around Judas knowing all the time what he was going to do 😔
Jesus had compassion on Judas and called him "friend" even knowing what He did.
 

Magenta

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If a person commit suicide do they not make heaven? Thanks
Jesus called Judas a son of perdition, which means, doomed to destruction. Jesus knew Judas
was not "clean" and had not believed from the beginning. There is only one unforgivable sin.
 
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If a person commit suicide do they not make heaven? Thanks

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
 
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1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
I seem to remember having this discussion with you before but never mind.

I'll ask the question again

Is a man fully responsible if there mentally unwell.
 
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Is a man fully responsible if there mentally unwell.

Depends. If they were born a few fries short of a happy meal, they would be different from someone who know what was right and in their right mind but lived in sin and became nuts later on due to their sin.

The Lord will judge fairly.