Speculative question regarding abortion and John 1:9

I was wondering if anyone sees it this way: that someone is not alive until they're born?

A child in the womb has already come "into the world."

That's really how you read it?

John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

I'm just wondering if anyone sees this the same way I kind of do. From this verse it is I guess sort of implied that someone is born when they come into the world, I was wondering if anyone sees it this way: that someone is not alive until they're born? Just from this verse alone. I know that if someone is delivered prematurely that they can still survive, so it might be logical to conclude that someone is alive in the womb... but from this verse perhaps someone needs to be born to be alive? Perhaps it is only after the birthing process that someone is actually alive (even though there is kicking in the womb)? Something that has kind of occurred to me is that if every aborted fetus goes to heaven and is a child there (perhaps that fetus would grow to a child and then the child would be with everyone else) that would be A LOT of people in heaven and in the Millenial Kingdom... something that sort of has a peculiarity to me.

John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

I'm just wondering if anyone sees this the same way I kind of do. From this verse it is I guess sort of implied that someone is born when they come into the world, I was wondering if anyone sees it this way: that someone is not alive until they're born? Just from this verse alone. I know that if someone is delivered prematurely that they can still survive, so it might be logical to conclude that someone is alive in the womb... but from this verse perhaps someone needs to be born to be alive? Perhaps it is only after the birthing process that someone is actually alive (even though there is kicking in the womb)? Something that has kind of occurred to me is that if every aborted fetus goes to heaven and is a child there (perhaps that fetus would grow to a child and then the child would be with everyone else) that would be A LOT of people in heaven and in the Millenial Kingdom... something that sort of has a peculiarity to me.

I heard recently that scientists videotaped the moment of conception and there was an emission of light. The source was a medical professional, but I didn't get his source of the information.
And no, I have no idea how it was actually done. It might well have been the most invasive procedure ever.

The other day I saw this movie about abortion there was a little baby on an ultrasound and as they inserted the device to vacuum it out it was trying to get away from the end of the vacuum fighting in it’s little womb to live . Afterwards I listened to a former abortion doctrine explain the process of latter term abortion

i am still incredibly disturbed by what I saw shaken to my core really I always sort of avoided learning anything about it just always knew it was wrong in my opinion but wow I had no idea the depths of horror it involves

i can’t for the life of me figure out how this ever became a thing people do

That's really how you read it?

How do you read it? That the birth canal is a portal to another dimension?

I don't know I guess I sort of lean towards coming into the world to mean being after birth.

It's horrific what they do. Hopefully, we are on the way to correcting this evil.

I don't know I guess I sort of lean towards coming into the world to mean being after birth.

Sadly I dont think we are on that path brother I think God will restore order and truth one day but I don’t think we ever will

it reminds me of what pharoah was doing to Hebrew make babies in exodus tossing them in the river at birth ehat a twisted and lost world when abortion is a heated debate


I wish I didn’t think this but I believe it’s all going to get worse and worse morally until the lord ends it

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. ( note thre Terrible within people’s hearts ) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems we’re on tbat path with that compass I’m sad at the moment writing this honestly how a nation could come to terms with something like that and fight hard to make it acceptable is just bewildering to my brain

but I suppose this is true for all of us

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so I hope those involved find repentance at some point and turn to the lords graciousness and mercy because I know he forgives and is a much better judge than I could ever be of anyone

the actuon of abortion however is apparently and obviously a grotesque perversion of all that is decent and all that is life and an honor to the altar of death

I don't know I guess I sort of lean towards coming into the world to mean being after birth.

I think I'll keep praying anyway. Who knows what God might do?