Is there a difference between the new and old covenant?

Your stuck in the old covenant I’m sorry you can’t hear yet

I disagree and maintain what i wrote, it corresponds to what Jesus asks us to do. remember Jesus was teaching the commandments, never forget that.

Peace.

I believe what Jesus taught. He taught and lived as our example 1 John 2:6

In the Old Testament they could not have the Spirit because their sins were only covered, so they could not have a spiritual relationship with God, but in the New Testament we can have the Spirit for our sins are completely washed away, so we can have a spiritual relationship with God.[/QUOTE]

In the Old Testament the people that repented of their sins, and had their sins covered by animals would have their sins completely washed away by the blood of Jesus.

In case someone thinks I am saying they cannot have a spiritual relationship with God at all, but under the Old Testament alone they could not be with God.

that’s good you should believe the things Jesus taught his disciples and the things his apostles taught the church concerning the two covenants also

Of course Jesus taught the law. He began first to do and to teach. The question is...why? Because He was under the old covenant and He was teaching others under the old covenant. His blood was yet to be shed and the new covenant was not yet come.
Do you not believe that those who are under the law are also under the curse of the law?

Let me explain further;

In the Old Testament, the Law, as given to Moses, was central to the covenant between God and the Israelites. It encompassed moral, ceremonial, and civil laws, delineating how the Israelites were to relate to God and to one another. The Law served as a guide for righteous living and included commandments, rituals, and instructions for societal conduct.

The Old Covenant emphasized obedience to the Law as a means of maintaining a right relationship with God. Adherence to the commandments and rituals was believed to bring blessings and avoid judgment. However, it also highlighted man's inability to perfectly fulfill the Law and the need for sacrifices for atonement.

In the New Testament, the teachings of Jesus bring a fresh perspective on the Law. Jesus emphasized the spiritual essence of the Law, focusing on love, mercy, and compassion. He taught that the Law was fulfilled through love for God and for one's neighbour. Jesus' teachings emphasized inner righteousness and purity of heart rather than mere external observance of the Law.

The New Covenant, inaugurated through Jesus' death and resurrection, offers forgiveness and reconciliation with God through faith in Him. Jesus' teachings and actions demonstrated a fulfillment of the Law's requirements and highlight the importance of faith, love, and grace embodied in the commandments and in the Christian life.

Both covenants are based on the law or commandments as it is written, overall, while the Old Covenant stressed obedience to the Law as a means of righteousness, the New Covenant emphasizes faith in Jesus Christ and the transformative power of love. This shift is evident in the teachings of Jesus and throughout the New Testament.

Blessings.

The disciples never taught or did anything different than what Jesus taught. They served Christ not taught another gospel. People twist and take their writings out of context and why we have a warning 2 Peter 3:16. The disciples were commission by Christ to observe everything He commanded. It’s why they teach what matters is keeping God’s commandments the same commandments Jesus taught and lived as our example.
Take care.

exactly he was first speaking to people who had all been born under Moses law before his death They were all required to keep the law until he fulfilled the law and prophets concerning himself instituting the New Testament


“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:16-20‬ ‭

Jesus preached the word of the New Testament and then he the testator died shedding his blood just as the pattern Moses performed showed prophetically beforhand.

until jesus died the law was still enforced , after he died for remission of sins his words became the word of account forever.

It’s just like if you make a Will everything you say on the Will regarding your desires and what is done with all your possessions it doesn’t take effect until you die . Then everything you said in your Will is now irrevocable and can’t be changed because you are the testator it is your possession and you decided before you died how it would be given.

moses did the same thing before he died he wrote a book with everything he commanded the children of Israel all the blessings and curses then he read the book to all the people every word and they said “ everything God has commanded we will do and be obedient and then Moses she’s the blood of animals and said …..well here it is

“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. ( that’s a covenant between two parties the words of the book are binding to both parties )

And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s a pattern for us so we can understand the gospel forst jesus began to preach the gospel of the kingdom , he preached the gospel for a few years some count three and a half others theee others two ect and after he had preached the gospel he said this

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:21, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he went to the cross and shed the blood of his covenant between God and all creatures of the earth according to his words just like the old was Moses words and animal blood the new is Jesus words and his blood

I do not believe the commandments are a curse on the contrary a blessing if followed with love as Jesus instructs us to do. I am not referring here to the law of Moses but the moral law or the 10 commandments. To me as explained in another thread (LINK HERE) the 10 commandments are a law apart from the rest, it is eternal and will never change, however we must not follow the commandments like the pharisees did, they made it a burden for everyone.

Blessings.

I think you missed Christ in the OT. Relationship with God was always through Christ, and it was always by grace through faith. Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord. Abraham believed God. Jesus was always the One who would crush the head of the serpent. The reconciliation of God with man was always through Christ and not the law. All the promises of God are in Christ, and not in the law.
Do you notice how the framework for the new covenant is established long before the old covenant is given?
Now back to my question: do you believe those under the law are under the curses of the law?

you also

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. ( the law came by Moses grace and truth by Jesus Christ )


…..and they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-11, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You sidestepped the question. Are those under the law under it's curse? Galatians 3:10.

“I do not believe the commandments are a curse on the contrary a blessing if followed with love as Jesus instructs us to do. I am not referring here to the law of Moses but the moral law or the 10 commandments.”

“And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons,

the one by a bondmaid,

the other by a freewoman.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

….Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman,

but of the free.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:22, 24-26, 30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

If Christian’s follow Christ and his teachings the new covenant they won’t lie and cheat and steal and worship idols ect ect so you don’t have to write a commandment for them anymore they now have access to the true and everlasting God through the gospel. We don’t need a blueprint or pattern he built us a house to live in

It was before the law came and is after but not under remember this happened after they worshipped the calf the law isn’t of grace and faith it’s of transgression and lead to wrath

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭

There is no scripture that says Jesus was born under the law of Moses. It’s best not to add what’s not there.

Jesus was born under the law because He lived to show us how to live righteously and without sin, He taught Words we are to live by Mat 4:4 and lived as our example to follow 1 John 2:6. Had He sinned just once, all humanity would have been lost forever. It’s a dangerous doctrine to teach we should not live how Jesus lived.. Jesus never taught ‘do as I say, not as I do.’ Jesus always led by example - our example to follow as He is the WAY. I would not want to take another path other than the one Jesus took and taught. We need the faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12 Which means live the same faith of Jesus who kept all of the commandments and taught us to as well.

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

2 Cor 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Yes, you are correct. The Bible teaches the curse are when we are disobedient to God’s commandments which is sin and that separates us from God. Isa 59:2 and leads to death Rom 6:16 Read Deuteronomy 28. It outlines the blessings when you keep God‘s commandments and the curses when you don’t, Israel tested this as well and it resulted in receiving the curses. We are told not to follow their path of disobedience. Heb 4:11

Our decisions will have the same blessing or curses.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 (The curse) But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

If we love and have faith in Jesus we would want to do everything He asks, taught and did as our example to follow. He will only lead us on the narrow path back to Him.

I meant to say the curses leads to death- if we don’t do something about it. We need a conversion - if in Christ we would not want to sin - the law just shows us our sin Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 and points us to Christ who has the solution- He can cleanse us from all sin and unrighteousness when we confess and have a change of heart, which means a change in direction. When He heals He said- go and sin no more so its possible through Christ to overcome sin and live in harmony with Him and be obedient to His commandments through love, faith and His power. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15-18 Rom 3:31 Phil 4:13 and this is the result Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Don't you see how you place yourself in relationship to God according to the law, and then when you sin, you desire relationship with God through Christ so you can be forgiven?
Why not just cut straight to your need? Have a relationship with God in Christ.

So who do you suppose we go to when we sin? No one else blood can cover us, only Christ.

Christ is the only One who has the power to cleanse 1 John 1:9, so going to Christ to repent as Christ asks Mat 4:17 is having a relationship with Him. Those who feel they don’t need Christ when they sin or comfortable living in sin, is really a dangerous place to be. Pro 28:13 Heb 10:26-30