Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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I disagree that Christ died for all, even if all will not be saved. That is the false narrative many try to imply: If Christ died for all, then all must be saved. No. The Bible doesn't Teach that. Those like me must tag people with labels to make their opinions more relevant.
I am not an Arminian or a Calvinist. Although both have Biblical points, they have done more to divide than unite.
Jesus said Go and Preach the Kingdom to all. Those who will be saved or not is up to him. I will let Him be the judge of that. But it is God who has placed the responsibility of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in our hands. What are you doing to see people saved?
What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? That Paul said the power of God for salvation? Do people get saved when the gospel is preached IN YOUR CHURCH? If not, why? The election is the Gospel message.
Your Doctrinal position is not essential for salvation. Christ is,
John Calvin is not authoritative; Jesus is. You want to label people; I want to see people saved.
I am not an Arminian or a Calvinist. Although both have Biblical points, they have done more to divide than unite.
Jesus said Go and Preach the Kingdom to all. Those who will be saved or not is up to him. I will let Him be the judge of that. But it is God who has placed the responsibility of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in our hands. What are you doing to see people saved?
What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? That Paul said the power of God for salvation? Do people get saved when the gospel is preached IN YOUR CHURCH? If not, why? The election is the Gospel message.
Your Doctrinal position is not essential for salvation. Christ is,
John Calvin is not authoritative; Jesus is. You want to label people; I want to see people saved.
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Nonsense. If you accept a gift because it is your birth-day, is it work to take it? You take every breath by something that is called an autonomic system. You don't think about breathing in normal circumstances. It isn't work...even if you deliberately stop breathing and pass out, your autonomic system will kick in and you will start breathing again.
In the same way, Jesus has done all the work with regards to salvation. You cannot add to it or subtract from it. We cannot work for salvation. We RECEIVE salvation when we come to Christ through FAITH.
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. Romans 5:15
In the same way, Jesus has done all the work with regards to salvation. You cannot add to it or subtract from it. We cannot work for salvation. We RECEIVE salvation when we come to Christ through FAITH.
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. Romans 5:15
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No, the truth is you are not correct, and your false narrative does not have to be accepted. Name-call all you want to say were devils to try and elevate your position. I am glad you see yourself as an "Elect saint." Remember, countless conflicting interpretations of the gospel you present show you are not capable or called to teach His word.
You approach people from your " Elect mindset," and judge them as you say: " this is why the non elect hate the God the Elect believe in. They hate Him because they love their sin and they know that He didn't save them. "
What a self-righteous statement. To speak as if you know who God can save and will not save. You don't know who is elect or non-elect.
You say you don't know what I believe because I don't identify as a Calvinist or Armenian? You refuse to read what I SAID IS the gospel
of our Lord Jesus Christ, which you say is fake. " Again, you are no authority, and you will not suggest the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ that I hold to is a fake Gospel. You are just a hateful person. That is all you have done for the Calvinism. Displayed hate and judgment. Talk about fake Gospels, LOL. You are at the top of the list.
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Anything that someone has to "do" of themselves would then make it a work. That salvation is a free gift is only because God does it all for them, completely, and to the fullest degree, with nothing required by them to obtain it, to include having to take it - otherwise, neither would it be free nor a gift. A spiritually dead person cannot take a spiritual gift unto themselves, just as a physically dead person cannot take a physical gift unto themselves.
The only faith that truly brings someone to Christ is Christ's faith which He reckons unto those chosen, from/by which, they believe. It is not self-produced.
Please read these verses closely.
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
The only faith that truly brings someone to Christ is Christ's faith which He reckons unto those chosen, from/by which, they believe. It is not self-produced.
Please read these verses closely.
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
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The BIBLE says Christ died for all, whosoever will. You are not special. God didn't pick you out of the pool to be saved and everyone else is going to hell. Didn't happen. You are defaming the very heart and character of God, this belief is insidious and from the pit of hell itself. The Holy Spirit draws people to Christ, people hear the Word, the seed is planted. They may come to Christ that very moment, or 20 yrs later, only God knows. But some will never come. No, man doesn't save himself, but he's not saved against his will either. Where people come up with these hellish beliefs that God would pick people for salvation and others for hell is sickening. And if he already picked the elect, why create people to destroy?? That's like a toy factory making broken toys on purpose, just to throw them away. That's stupidity!! God takes the broken and makes them a new creature in Christ!! He doesn't create broken. Honestly I wonder what "Bible" y'all are readin' from to come away with such a messed up doctrine. Talk about the Jews being blind. My Lord!!
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I find it interesting that the narrative that receiving a gift is considered" work" is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard to try and manipulate a doctrinal opinion. There is nothing in the word of God that says, teaches, or suggests that receiving the Gift of SALVATION BY GRACE IS A WORK THAT YOU DO. That is assumed and interjected into the context of the election. They are wrong on that point. But will not provide proof of that point.
Receiving a gift has to be a work because they say so(Calvinist). But they can't prove that through the word of God.
You did not buy the gift, you did not ask for the gift, yet when the gift is presented to you, you receive it with great joy, which means to them you worked for it. Why? Because they said so. LOL
Receiving a gift has to be a work because they say so(Calvinist). But they can't prove that through the word of God.
You did not buy the gift, you did not ask for the gift, yet when the gift is presented to you, you receive it with great joy, which means to them you worked for it. Why? Because they said so. LOL
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When we agree we will really agree! 
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Haha iron clad on this one. I don't know how one reads the Word and comes away with this mess. It's beyond me. It twists every Scripture to meld it to their understanding. I swear the Father himself is in heaven scratching His head wondering how they got this from what He said.
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So if I accept a gift from you, in your eyes it's no longer free. But you paid for it. So how is it not free when you give it to me. You're using the same circular reasoning as abortionists. It the womb, not a baby, in the birth canal, not a baby, delivered magically it's a baby! The gift is free, the gift is paid for, the gift is given freely to me now its not a gift and it's not free. Yet it is. You're chasing your tail and all you're doing is getting dizzy. You're not making a lick of sense. Pssst, when you have to work this hard to make the puzzle piece fit, it's the wrong piece.
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