Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

John Calvin was a murderous (insert word not allowed on CC) and retained much of his Catholic heritage

Actually though, even Calvin would be surprised at some of the things that are supposed to be from him in origin

Calvin is actually in the dumpster when it comes to what the Bible states

Decadence and rudeness leads people to hell.

Is this opinion supported by the bible or is it just another private view

I have stated that I only believe what God said, and I reject private interpretations as they are an abomination in Gods sight. God actually promised to cast all those who add or takes away from His Word, into the lake of fire.

i really can't fathom why so many think God was joking when He gave that warning. It's actually blasphemy, as it accuses God of being a liar.
We are all born enemies of God and we sink deeper and deeper into depravity as we age, and if God doesn't intervene and do the work of salvation in our lives, then we remain under His wrath and condemnation until we are cast into hell.

Your Arminian gospel, removes God from His throne and you set yourself in His place and claim to be the master of your destiny. That's simply not what my Bible teaches, it teaches the exact opposite where God is sovereign over the whole of His creation and every aspect of their lives.
This includes salvation, as a totally depraved sinner cannot turn from his sin, repent and obey the gospel.

Sodom and Gomorrah; Saul the king; Jerusalem, the pharisees and Saducees; Gamaliel, Herod et cetera.

There's no place for the reprobate in our Church, we only accept genuine Elect Saints of God.
You're welcome to take the reprobate into your Church, but don't expect my Church to accept them.

Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you

Now your showing your ignorance as plain as day.

The Word was given in a way that only the Elect understand, it's foolishness to the non elect.

The true gospel is the stench of death to the un elect, they hate it with every fiber in their body. So I'm not surprised to find so many expressing hatred towards the true gospel.

I'm proud of my Lord, He is the only One who deserves all the praise and glory.

I'm just a thankful and undeserving Elect Saint of God, I have nothing to be proud of, I just received eternal life in paradise and all the treasure of the universe is mine so why wouldn't I be full of joy and praise for the Lord.

You think you are sole person to know what God said over all others.

Some self-proclaimed prophet. You call anything you disagree with a " private interpretation." No one is causing God of being a liar.

People like you who can't defend biblical refusion result to fear mongering and try to intimidate with foolish claims one is blaspheming God like a cult leader who controls by fear.

FYI you were born an enemy of God yet you are special? I told you before I don't preach an Arminian Gospel I preach the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ that you contend is a fake one. AND WE ARE BLASHPHEMYING? lol what a buffoon.

The problem still remains, everyone preaches conflicting gospels but they all push theirs as the only true one and all the rest can go to hell. Can you see how messed up the Church is, it's full of liars, hypocrites, proud blasphemers, idolaters, haters of God and lovers of sin.

You keep banging on about how you preach this gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, but's it contradicts everything I believe and everything I read in my Bible. It's actually highly offensive to me and the God I believe in.

My God is being accused of being an evil monster, so how do you think that makes me feel. There are 40,000 conflicting gospel interpretations out there, you have chosen one can't stand those of us who have put our faith in a different interpretation.

I'll abandon my faith and convert to yours if you show me why your one is biblically accurate. As it is, I consider yours false and mine true so I'll have to stick with mine until someone can find a single error in my theology.

King David, murderer and adulterer, Paul murdered Christians, Peter denied Christ, Samson and Rahab the prostitute. Just a few that wouldn't be allowed in your church. Jephthah was the son of a prostitute, yet became a judge of Israel. I think you need to rethink your church.




You don't know me. All you know is I don't accept your false doctrine. And for that you hate me, a person you don't know a thing about. And we wonder why people aren't getting saved today. So full of spiritual pride they can't fellowship with brothers and sisters in Christ. You have an awful weak faith if you can't even fellowship with Christians. Christ ate with the sinners and you're so full of spiritual pride you can't even talk with a Christian. Please stay from sinners. God knows how hostile you'd be to them if you're so threatened by me.



Because I questioned your belief and challenged your dogma? Wow, if you met an atheist your head would blow off your shoulders. smh



You're not special, your like every other believer here. The elect are those who believe on the Lord. That includes every believer, every brother and sister in Christ represented here. I know it hurts your spiritual pride, but it's true.




And that is why this belief is so insidious. Do you have any care or love for the lost, at all??! As hateful as you are to your brothers and sisters here, I can't imagine how you treat those who are in bondage to sin. Truly have you ever tried to win one person to Christ? Wait, don't! We don't need any more with your attitude.

The problem still remains, everyone preaches conflicting gospels but they all push theirs as the only true one and all the rest can go to hell. Can you see how messed up the Church is, it's full of liars, hypocrites, proud blasphemers, idolaters, haters of God and lovers of sin.

You keep banging on about how you preach this gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, but's it contradicts everything I believe and everything I read in my Bible. It's actually highly offensive to me and the God I believe in.

My God is being accused of being an evil monster, so how do you think that makes me feel. There are 40,000 conflicting gospel interpretations out there, you have chosen one can't stand those of us who have put our faith in a different interpretation.

I'll abandon my faith and convert to yours if you show me why your one is biblically accurate. As it is, I consider yours false and mine true so I'll have to stick with mine until someone can find a single error in my theology.

I admire your energy, passion and tenacity, but I believe they are sadly misplaced.

You mention murderers and adulterers being forgiven by God, while at the same time you ignore what God said about murderers and adulterers. He said they will not enter heaven, so you have a problem to deal with here and with many other false claims you've made.

So, in your estimation is God contradicting Himself or lying or is there something wrong with your private view. I'm not sure what you mean by me thinking I'm special, if being the chief of sinners means special then I am.

I admire your energy, passion and tenacity, but I believe they are sadly misplaced.
You mention murderers and adulterers being forgiven by God, while at the same time you ignore what God said about murderers and adulterers. He said they will not enter heaven, so you have a problem to deal with here and with many other false claims you've made.

So, in your estimation is God contradicting Himself or lying or is there something wrong with your private view. I'm not sure what you mean by me thinking I'm special, if being the chief of sinners means special then I am.

THE WAY TO FIX IT is for you to look in the mirror. I'm not banging on anything. I don't care if it contradicts what you believe.

No one here has Accused God of being evil but you in your own little world. Your feelings are irrelevant. Maybe if you considered others feelings hmmm?

I am not asking you to abandon your faith and follow mine what an immature thing to say.

I have not said you are not saved . You have said that of others.


Jesus said in John chapter 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

The Greek reads as an imperative: I am the only Way; not other way; I am the only Truth, not other truth and I am the only Life and there is no other but in ME.

If I have Jesus, I have the way, the life, and the Truth Outside of Christ, there is no election. Without Christ, there is none elected.

That is your problem—you consider something false you don't even know. I don't want you to follow me. That is your problem. You think one wants you to follow them, nope, and you try to get those to follow you, LOL, instead of Christ.

The other big problem remains. Which Jesus are you talking abut, there are so many different and conflicting versions of who He is that it leaves one baffled. Everyone seems to have a different Jesus, they invent one in their head and then force the biblical Jesus to conform to their image.

It's called, idolatry. The Church is full of idolaters. Very few know the real Jesus, and Jesu confirms it when He promised to cast the majority of Christians into hell. He will say "i never knew you"

Why would I even consider following your gospel. It contradicts the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ

Wow, so you believe they are in hell today. Explain how a man after God's own heart is in hell today? I'm gonna need Scripture to back that up.





Ok, I will tell you what I find offensive about this POV and maybe we can at least understand each other. I do not believe it is the character of God to create a person to be saved and one to be lost. As I said, that's like a toy factory making broken toys knowing they were going to destroy them. I don't see the sense of that. I don't see why God would create a people made simply for destruction. A person who cannot reach out to Him, who cannot be saved. I have seen it too many times to believe that God doesn't have a heart for the lost. I have seen people come out of bondage and become born again. God loves the sinner and calls to them
until their breath.

I don't believe they are in hell, but you claimed that murderers and adulterers go to heaven when God said they go to hell. So you can't have it both ways, you need to explain yourself because you said that not me.

I know you don't see why God would create people simply for destruction. I also notice you also conveniently ignore the fact that they lived a life of evil and rebellion, but that's OK with you as you can just wink at sin and you demand that God be like you.
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Well I have very bad news for you, God is nothing like you. He doesn't bless evil doers like you do,

I would urge you not to charge God with any evil deeds,

He has every right to cast sinners into the lake of fire. You have no authority to judge God and falsely accuse Him.