Another Man Lights Himself on Fire. This Time Outside a Trump Trial in NY
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i take offense to everyone who deceptively exploits the naivety of the church for filthy lucre and power.
but i mentioned the former president because (1) the OP mentions him (2) the OP cited a news source notoriously biased in his favor (3) the news section is full of toadies for him so i figured it would be both appropriately on topic and also humorous to watch people attack me for stating facts.
clearly correlation is not causation and clearly the man in question left an explanatory note for his suicide so there's no reason to speculate his motive.
but i mentioned the former president because (1) the OP mentions him (2) the OP cited a news source notoriously biased in his favor (3) the news section is full of toadies for him so i figured it would be both appropriately on topic and also humorous to watch people attack me for stating facts.
clearly correlation is not causation and clearly the man in question left an explanatory note for his suicide so there's no reason to speculate his motive.
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Thoughts:
1.) Even if self immolation is considered legitimate political protest, it is still inherently attention seeking, because a protest that seeks no attention does not rise to the definition of a protest. Every protest, by definition, is attention seeking.
2.) The question seems to be rather or not this act, in the internal mind of the perpetrator, is primarily seeking attention for the self, or primarily seeking attention for a larger cause.
3.) I'm not sure we can know, with certainty, the internal workings of of another person's mind... but we can often gives things an educated guess.
4.) I think this is a matter for the psychologists though... suicide seems to belong in the realm of psychology, not political punditry.
5.) So what would psychology say about self destructive behavior? I think we know the answer.
Mental instability does seem like the unavoidable conclusion:
Since this is such an extreme act of self destruction and nihilism, it does NOT seem like the act of a mentally stable person. Mentally healthy people don't engage in self harm.
If suicide is typically a cry for help, then this would seem to be an extreme cry for help.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not the resident expert on self immolation... just trying to think it through.
God Bless.
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1.) Even if self immolation is considered legitimate political protest, it is still inherently attention seeking, because a protest that seeks no attention does not rise to the definition of a protest. Every protest, by definition, is attention seeking.
2.) The question seems to be rather or not this act, in the internal mind of the perpetrator, is primarily seeking attention for the self, or primarily seeking attention for a larger cause.
3.) I'm not sure we can know, with certainty, the internal workings of of another person's mind... but we can often gives things an educated guess.
4.) I think this is a matter for the psychologists though... suicide seems to belong in the realm of psychology, not political punditry.
5.) So what would psychology say about self destructive behavior? I think we know the answer.
Mental instability does seem like the unavoidable conclusion:
Since this is such an extreme act of self destruction and nihilism, it does NOT seem like the act of a mentally stable person. Mentally healthy people don't engage in self harm.
If suicide is typically a cry for help, then this would seem to be an extreme cry for help.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not the resident expert on self immolation... just trying to think it through.
God Bless.
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i would draw the attention seeking line as a closed loop around 'political protest'
no one devotes themselves to worldly political protest that isn't seeking attention, but not everyone who is seeking attention devotes themselves to worldly political protest.
there's a set/subset relationship here, not a delineation.
has his actual suicide note not been released or divulged yet?
if not why not?
no one devotes themselves to worldly political protest that isn't seeking attention, but not everyone who is seeking attention devotes themselves to worldly political protest.
there's a set/subset relationship here, not a delineation.
has his actual suicide note not been released or divulged yet?
if not why not?
from what i could gather he was a bit of an anarchist, expressing a desire to destroy the entire government, and identified both Trump and Biden as what Trumpists would call "deep state"
a supporter of neither and fully against both.
but that's second or third hand through news outlets. i would like to read what he had to say for myself.
a supporter of neither and fully against both.
but that's second or third hand through news outlets. i would like to read what he had to say for myself.
"Attention seeking" is complex and I do not think it is always inherently bad it depends on what the behaviour is and why a person engages in that behaviour.
I am not clear how you are using the term, it seems that you may being using it in a "narcissistic" sense and while that can be part of the profile of a narcissist, I do think seeking attention for a cause (political, religious etc., ) can have altruistic reasons unless you come from the school of thought that people are all without exception continually evil devoid of any natural ability to love and care.
I am not clear how you are using the term, it seems that you may being using it in a "narcissistic" sense and while that can be part of the profile of a narcissist, I do think seeking attention for a cause (political, religious etc., ) can have altruistic reasons unless you come from the school of thought that people are all without exception continually evil devoid of any natural ability to love and care.
Newsweek has it published here ...
https://www.newsweek.com/read-max-a...out-lighting-himself-fire-trump-trial-1892368
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well then you must really be ticked off about Biden saying what a good Catholic he is 
the man who set himself on fire obviously had help to do so. I don't believe anyone commits suicide without help from something we cannot see whispering in their ear
you have never liked Trump so no need to say why you wrote what you did. another 4 yrs of what is in the oval office and this country will no longer be recognizable.
the man who set himself on fire obviously had help to do so. I don't believe anyone commits suicide without help from something we cannot see whispering in their ear
you have never liked Trump so no need to say why you wrote what you did.
another 4 yrs of what is in the oval office and this country will no longer be recognizable.A bit hard to actually get the text from that newsweek article, but here it is in PDF form..
the burn victim's manifesto
so, why did he do it?
essentially he believed that both parties, Trump included, are a sham, and that they are all in cahoots with each other and business giants to get rich by oppressing and brainwashing the general public into infighting and tribalism and fear.
which probably isn't too far off the mark honestly.
and he wanted to draw attention to his beliefs about government conspiracy, so he brought a bunch of copies of his manifesto to a place where he was sure to get media coverage and killed himself in an extremely visible and shocking way.
the burn victim's manifesto
so, why did he do it?
essentially he believed that both parties, Trump included, are a sham, and that they are all in cahoots with each other and business giants to get rich by oppressing and brainwashing the general public into infighting and tribalism and fear.
which probably isn't too far off the mark honestly.
and he wanted to draw attention to his beliefs about government conspiracy, so he brought a bunch of copies of his manifesto to a place where he was sure to get media coverage and killed himself in an extremely visible and shocking way.
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