Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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What if we hadn't STARTED supporting him?!
 

Nehemiah6

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But instead they move the moral goal posts for their own agendas.
The fact is that Stormy Daniels has written what you could call an Affidavit denying that there was any affair. So don't even bother to go there. Now Avenatti is also supporting that and Cohen is being shown to be a total liar. But you have believed all the garbage like the Russian Collusion Hoax.
 

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Innocent until proven guilty in this country. He hasn't been, they know better.



Well you're free to go live there if that's the type of justice you stand by. Here it's innocent until proven guilty.
innocent until proven guilty??

that went out the went out the window in america a long time ago...
 

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And that is really the heart of the issue. The rule of law is dead, the laws on the books are dead, the Constitution is dead, Republicanism and what the party stood for is dead. We are seeing with our eyes the death of America, and those who are shouting "Death to America" are the same ones who hate America and Americans, the West, Christians, and Jews. Yet they were welcomed with open arms AFTER the declared Jihad on America. Think about that.
It's always been the issue. By what/whose standard, what exactly is that standard, and who's going to live by it?

The US Republic then Democracy is another theory in a long line of theories. Men change theories and laws over time. Nothing new, sadly, in a sense. Interesting to be actually living in and observing such a time looking forward to the time of the only absolute Ruler. Also sad to see what we have to go through to get to the point where all theories have been exhausted and the one is left.
 

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Highly improbable IMO.
Really? Look at the last 3+ years, it reminds me of one of these chutes they force cattle down until they are single file to get slaughtered. The monkey trials Trump is going through reminds me of the monkey trial Jesus went through and we know how that ended.

Also, Trump being elected does not simply threaten Biden, Obama and Clinton with prison, it threatens the entire uniparty. So if this is a fight to the death why wouldn't they fight to the death?
 

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Lol nah. I was too busy dealing with suicidal thoughts and then ignoring all thoughts trying to form in my mind. Didn't quite have a way to throw politics in there without making things worse. I also always was more hopeful that a meteor would wipe out the earth than voting would somehow make life better.
My condolences for your sufferings.

If voting is a duty and you didn't vote, then you didn't fulfill your duty for certain reasons you've stated.

Nowadays, I still don't see how voting will make much difference in the long run. Jesus will return regardless of who we vote for. Voting in certain directions, if voting makes any difference, might actually postpone His return. Doubtful, but you never know. Might as well let the world take it's natural course I guess? Let the lovers of the world do what they will with it.
"in the long run" may well be correct, but how that's defined is up for interpretation. We can live decades of life with the mindset that Jesus is coming tomorrow. When He didn't return we can sit back with other non-voters and point out about how terrible our government is or has become and point to this as proving Jesus will come soon. Then He judges our nation and shifts to another one and time marches on.

This isn't as cut and dry as certain eschatological opinions try to make it. If you're over some of your suffering, try voting. Although I do agree that getting educated on who to vote for can be harmful to one's health. Also, once you vote, tell us who for, so we can argue with you about your choice and lump you into a category of friend or foe.

Now, back to the meteor...
 

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It's always been the issue. By what/whose standard, what exactly is that standard, and who's going to live by it?

The US Republic then Democracy is another theory in a long line of theories. Men change theories and laws over time. Nothing new, sadly, in a sense. Interesting to be actually living in and observing such a time looking forward to the time of the only absolute Ruler. Also sad to see what we have to go through to get to the point where all theories have been exhausted and the one is left.
Mat 24:12
and because lawlessness will increase so much, the love of many will grow cold.
 

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My condolences for your sufferings.

If voting is a duty and you didn't vote, then you didn't fulfill your duty for certain reasons you've stated.



"in the long run" may well be correct, but how that's defined is up for interpretation. We can live decades of life with the mindset that Jesus is coming tomorrow. When He didn't return we can sit back with other non-voters and point out about how terrible our government is or has become and point to this as proving Jesus will come soon. Then He judges our nation and shifts to another one and time marches on.

This isn't as cut and dry as certain eschatological opinions try to make it. If you're over some of your suffering, try voting. Although I do agree that getting educated on who to vote for can be harmful to one's health. Also, once you vote, tell us who for, so we can argue with you about your choice and lump you into a category of friend or foe.

Now, back to the meteor...
Well, I'm no longer suffering from depression in any way. So glory to God for that. I can definitely agree with the mindset of Jesus coming tomorrow but it could be decades or longer before his actual return. I wouldn't mind using politics to point out some examples of His return, but I have practically zero knowledge of anything political. The only thing I ever noticed that politics changed in my life was that food and gas was cheaper when a republican was in office. I don't think using that as an example of God would work out too well lol. I also was extremely anti social my entire life and just rededicated my life to god maybe 3 weeks ago. So, I'm still not used to talking with anyone I'm not familiar with. Though I do recognize I need to spread the gospel, I'm unsure of how to start going about that. As far as voting goes, hmm, I most likely wont start up the habit of it, unless I get a pull from God to let me know it's something important that I should be doing. But maybe things will change soon and I'll start taking things in this world more seriously. I guess for now I'm on the hated side of both camps for not picking a side lol.

Now, back to the meteor... Not gonna lie, I hated my life enough to wish for death. I also would hear things from family members of things in the news that made me lose any faith in humanity as a whole. Movies and tv shows throughout the years made me wonder just how messed up we all are as well. So I figured, why not just hope for a meteor to end our disgusting race? I believed in God and the bible so I knew it wasn't going to happen, but while living in depression and stuck in my sinful life, that was the best I could hope for at the time. Now I'm not really sure what to do with my life other than to keep reading the bible, pray and watch some sermons and biblical history videos. I can only hope that God will point me to somewhere or something he wants me to be involved in. But yeah, politics doesn't seem like something I'm willing to drag myself into at the current time. I'm trying not to take in any information that isn't God focused so that I won't fall back into ignoring God just for some random forms of entertainment or to distract me from what's most important concerning eternity.
 

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Really? Look at the last 3+ years, it reminds me of one of these chutes they force cattle down until they are single file to get slaughtered. The monkey trials Trump is going through reminds me of the monkey trial Jesus went through and we know how that ended.

Also, Trump being elected does not simply threaten Biden, Obama and Clinton with prison, it threatens the entire uniparty. So if this is a fight to the death why wouldn't they fight to the death?
Unanimous juries are hard to come by. Odds of criminal conviction are slim IMO.
 

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and just rededicated my life to god maybe 3 weeks ago.
That is the one and only solution. Cling to Jesus and don't let go. And forget the rest and ignore the pain. Thats about it.

I'm trying not to take in any information that isn't God focused so that I won't fall back into ignoring God just for some random forms of entertainment or to distract me from what's most important concerning eternity.
Good advice right there.
 

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Here is a little trivia to liven up the board a little..... 1714917115129.png
 

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Unanimous juries are hard to come by. Odds of criminal conviction are slim IMO.
I wonder how the Russians and Chinese got around that? No doubt I am expecting a rigged trial.
 

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Israel is in the land. Surely Ezekiel 38 and 39 follows what has just been fulfilled in Ezekiel 37. So the DOTL is at the very threshold IMO.
And there is all kinds of bizarre stuff going down nowadays.....

I agree. Things seem to be speeding up for the return of the Lord. But we never know how long His return may take. We can only wait and see.
 

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I guess for now I'm on the hated side of both camps for not picking a side lol.

Funny. Yes there's that position too! But the winning group could thank you and call you friend for not voting against them - a slight variation on 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

I'm trying not to take in any information that isn't God focused so that I won't fall back into ignoring God just for some random forms of entertainment or to distract me from what's most important concerning eternity.
Understood. Likely a very good thing to do. I lived a very undistracted life for many years focused almost completely on Him and learning His Word. I wouldn't go back and change that even if I could. In fact, I'm in the process of again working to find something similar. There are some interesting things going on out here, but they pale in comparison to learning more about Him and how He thinks and getting glimpses through His eyes.
 

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I agree. Things seem to be speeding up for the return of the Lord. But we never know how long His return may take. We can only wait and see.
Why would you say that? I am not aware of any Bible verse that says that. On the contrary Hosea 6 indicates it will be "2 days" after he leaves which many understand to be 2,000 years. Many look at the creation of man in six days and then the sabbath rest on the seventh indicating a 7,000 year plan with the last thousand years being the millennial kingdom. Others see Pharoah's dream which took place at the end of "two full years" after the Baker was put to death and hung on the pole to indicate at the end of 2,000 years after the crucifixion. When Jesus was being put to death he rebuked the Jews because they did not know the time of their visitation and sure enough they should have known the exact year from Daniel's prophecies. God tells us that we know He is God because He alone can tell us the end from the beginning. Jesus was very specific when He told us "no one knows the day or the hour". Never once did He say "no one knows the year". We are also told in Daniel that Satan will seek to change times and seasons, why would he do that unless he knows that they are prophetic. Paul tells us in Colossians that they are prophetic of things to come.

People need to be careful about "putting words into God's mouth". The Lord said "no one knows the day" so trying to discern the day based on the OT is clearly a mistake as one very clear interpretation of that is that you won't find it in the OT, or in the book of Enoch, etc. But you should also note that Jesus was equally clear in that He never said "no one knows the year". Anyone who says the Bible says that is just as guilty as anyone who thinks the Bible tells you the day.

But concerning the "day and the hour" there are two events in the OT where the clock was changed, once with Joshua and once with Hezekiah, one time messed up the "day" and the other time messed up "the hour".
 

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So the DOTL is at the very threshold IMO.

I commend you for saying "IMO". Thanks.

And there is all kinds of bizarre stuff going down nowadays.....

So says every generation. If you watch for red dresses and I watch for the latest starships concepts and read physics, then our eschatology may reflect differently. And this leaves aside how various eschatologies apply the Biblical Text differently.
 

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So says every generation. If you watch for red dresses and I watch for the latest starships concepts and read physics, then our eschatology may reflect differently. And this leaves aside how various eschatologies apply the Biblical Text differently.
In all of human history we never had an alliance of Iran and Russia against Israel, therefore this is the first time in human history that Ezekiel 38 could be fulfilled.

Never before could we have had a "mark of the beast where no one can buy or sell". That requires a digital currency, it requires RFID chips, it requires quantum computers and it requires Starlink. What we are seeing today is a fulfillment of prophecy.

Never before have we had "the image of the beast which could speak". Some tried to say it was TV but everyone knew that was lame as the idea of being able to speak indicates the ability to have a conversation. Today with Deep Fake and AI we have a beast system and the image of the Beast that can speak. What we are seeing today with AI and Deep Fakes is a fulfillment of prophecy.

Never before did we have a worldwide Sabbath rest declared shutting down business as we did during the Pandemic. That was prophesied in the book of Joel to let us know the day of the Lord was at hand.

The Revelation 12 sign which appeared in the heavens on the Feast of Trumpets in 2017 has never occurred in human history (the previous six thousand years) before. That was a fulfillment of prophecy.

So yes, in the past we have had many false prophets, but that also is a fulfillment of prophecy.