The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

Thank you
How about read the Bible to know God, I see the entire Bible as one big Love story to us all. To see we make choices that end up not good for us. that seem good for us at first, yet end up not good. That has been my experiences. Seeing this: now, God continues to try to get me to see what is not good for me, that appears as is good for me. I see it and yet see bad habits also, as I see now this:
The Law is best for me to see it as good for me in the long haul, over the short haul as in Psalms 1, now in the New Testament with Jesus as risen, it is Love that overcomes evil, evil is doing others wrong over wanting to not die. Even though all die in the flesh to this day all have. I see God not trying to save our flesh, rather our Souls in belief to Son's done work for them to walk new in his resurrected life of love to all, whether or not another loves us or not

Nicodemus was of the elect of Jacob/Israel, believing in God, but not according to knowledge depending upon the old letter of the law to deliver him the same as those that Paul was praying for in Romans 10:1-3.


This was God's elect people of Jacob, surnamed Israel back in the book of numbers who were bitten by serpents for their rebelling against Moses for bringing them out of Egypt. These in John 3 are the same Jacob/Israel who have the promise of eternal life, when they are drawn away by their lust of the things of the world, should repent and look to the cross, remembering how that Jesus has healed them from their sins.

You asked how the dead can repent and see.

I showed you

Yet you excuse it away.

Don't you tire of making God out to be evil?

I keep wondering if some of the folks here are even Christians. I see no compassion— but God is aware; He knows. God bless those who are His. —Selah

Golly. I didn't realize I really haven't visited the site for two weeks?, busy season at work (hope everyone had a happy Mother's Day, btw!). I was generated at page 24 have finally only now all caught up just to find @Niki7 has gotten over the whole thing (which appeared to be as exhausting as the work week I've just finished). However, I do recall making a mental note that there really is not point in entering into any discussion as long as the lightning rod of discussion remain erected and although is now among the 'non-erect,' I'm not sure if it be rude toward my sister to continue in discussion without her blessing....

I think it might've been you that mentioned the harvest of the earth, which I consider to be the time that the Lord sends forth his angels to gather all that offend within the earth. I consider liars as equal among murders, and so cannot afford such anymore compassion as they would murdering those that would otherwise be saved if not for falling for the deception disseminated by such false teachers.

There sure are a lot of “kettles” in this place.

I'm a kettle scrubber by trade but some have been burnt beyond recognition and are good for nothing.

I figured you’d be one of them.

Of course, I've noted your process of figuring.

Yep.

hmm

It just needed clarification then..... Which you just did!

grace and peace ..............

The election was not to simply save us.

The election was for what to give us because God knew we would want to be saved...
The election was sealed because God was already knowing we will believe.

As a result of our election?
Only some (the church) have been chosen the be the Bride of Christ.
All other souls whom God knows will believe were not elected for the same.

Before the foundation of the earth? God elected and predestined some to be alive during the Church age.
In doing so? God was able to predestine us to be conformed to His likeness, which will become undeniable
once he gets our souls into our glorious resurrection body. A body that will be just like his own glorious body.

Moses will not be getting the same kind of resurrection body... Nor, will any OT believer.

For God "sovereignly" chose out from all believers those whom were to become the Bride for His Son!

One example:

John the Baptist did not live to enter the Church age. John himself admitted that he was not chosen to be the Lord's
bride, but said he was chosen to be the friend of the groom.



John the Baptist is to be resurrected as the Friend of the Groom! Not the Bride of Christ!!!!!!

There is a doctrinal learning curve that TULIP followers will need to obtain/ attain before they can be made free.

Until they do? They might remain just as unreasonable and as stubborn as certain Catholics who will keep on insisting
in doing their Rosary and Mary worship... And, likewise... they think you are the heretic!


Problem is... If we operate in our flesh, sooner or later Satan will trap us with a false doctrine which is custom made for our Adamic nature. It will just seem right to our natural way of religious thinking.



So it is.....

grace and peace

Sorry, your explanation does not harmonize with the other scriptures.

Its not having to do with becoming regenerate...

The natural man (the soulish man - psukikos) will not be able to comprehend Bible doctrine which has been designated for believers who have entered into regeneration..

But, no one is required to understand the Deity of the Jesus to become saved. The natural man would see that teaching as foolishness.

The salvation message is designed to reach a man on the level of him being flesh.
For any unbeliever can know he is a sinner.
But, the unbeliever can not understand the Deity of Christ!

Regeneration does not require knowing anything that any unregenerate person can not grasp.

The unbeliever can know he is a sinner, and that a man named Jesus Christ died on a cross for his sins!

That's all that's needed to enter into regeneration.
After regeneration? Then that man stops having the limitation he had before he was saved, and now can begin to comprehend such things that the natural man found to be foolishness.




Even the reprobate unregenerate Pharaoh could know he was a sinner!



Pharaoh knew what was needed to become saved! To become regenerate!


grace and peace .............

@Magenta
There's no need to act so unchristian and cruel.

Sister, I don't think it was Magenta who said that.

My comment was meant to sting as much as a vaccination might, but it was the closest I could come to illustrating my sentiment toward the behavior displayed. If you do not care so much of what I really think, then why would you start to now?