End or close of the age

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Reading the parable of the wheat and tares, I only see a single coming of the Lord for the righteous?? How do you explain multiple comings??

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A parable is an account to illustrate spiritual truths. It is not there to detail future events. When the parable was given, Christ did not say anything about the Rapture. That would be later.

So later on He disclosed the Rapture to His apostles at the Last Supper. But again, the focus was on giving them assurance that He would come for His own in the future and take them back to Heaven. Once again, He said nothing about the Resurrection of the saints at the same time. And He said nothing about coming as the divine Bridegroom for His Bride, after which there would be the Marriage of the Lamb.

He left it to the apostle Paul to give further details about the Resurrection/Rapture in 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians. He left it up to John to present the Marriage of the Lamb. But when He gave the parable of the Ten Virgins He spoke about the Bridegroom coming unexpectedly. And John the Baptist called Him the Bridegroom.

So He leaves up up to Christians to connect all these Scriptures to understand the doctrine of the Resurrection/Rapture, which is for the perfection and glorification of the saints. In Matthew 24 He does tell Christians to always be ready for His coming, since it could be at any time. This is called "imminent" coming. That in itself proves that it is unrelated to any harvest judgment, and the sequence of events in Revelation shows that that will be later.

Could I suggest something regarding revelation ? Just that it’s not a timeline and consists of several repetetive and overlapping visions. One quick example

Chapter 11
“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

chapter 17

“The beast that thou sawest was, ( past ) and is not; ( present ) and shall ascend ( future ) out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. ( see chapter 20 when this happens )

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, ( past ) and one is, ( present ) and the other is not yet come;( future ) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; ( future ) but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8, 10-14‬ ‭

then later

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:11, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬

what I’m saying is it isnt a timeline it jumps back and forth like that speaks of chapter 17 in chapter 11 and 19 in 17 ect

I’m suggesting it’s not linear it is like Daniel where there are several visions that overlap and interact and add to each other a fuller understanding of the subject matter being shown and heard in revelation

The bowls (or vials) are also poured out at the 7th trump.

Jesus didn't say he would come at anytime.

He said he would come after the tribulation of those days.

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



It's them who do not watch who are surprised by his coming.


Mathew 24:48-50
But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’
and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.



I bet there are a few of those pretrib rapture believers who won't be expecting him to come when he does.They don't watch for any of the signs he gave that precede his coming.

It doesn't matter if they were poured out before the 7th Trump .Anyone who has the blood of the lamb on their doorposts don't have to worry about plagues or pestilence .

That is utter nonsense. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. (Mt 24:42-44)

"Your Lord" implies that this is addressed to believers. "For in such an hour as ye think not" clearly tells us that Jesus would come at any time.

If you watched ,you would have known when he comes.


43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.


You openly admit you have no need to watch because you claim you will be gone before any of the signs Jesus gave will be fulfilled.

Like Jesus said ,he will come after the tribulation.Ypu can call it nonsense all you want.
Utter nonsense says you .

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And just so you know,the trumpet being spoken of in this verse is the last trump. The seventh .

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hes going to return to settle the score between God and the wicked as soon as he does the dead will be raised up and judged all his people gathered up together in the air with Jesus both those that had died and those still alive tbat day

then the wrath of God will be poured out upon everyone else who wouldn’t repent and believe the gospel of the lord for salvation

Its almost like two caught up's (raptures) huh Not here to debate or that I even believe that. When you read what you posted and then Matt 24 He does come in the clouds.. angels gather blah blah blah. Yet as it was in the days of Noah when they were happy and having a great time then the flood came so shall the son of man be. No one saw it coming. Its kinda like it is today huh.

Hmm well after the great tribulation millions are dead, what 1/3 of the water on and on, just awful things and so scary. Yeah nothing at all like it was in Noah's day happy getting married life just going on and on. Oh wait incase we forget about those days " the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, ". Yeah nothing at all like the days of Noah. Pre Mid Post .. ya have to look at all of it even the OT

Trump.. what verse did you get "the Lord comes at the 7th Trump, " ?

Yes,someone saw it coming in the days of Noah.

Noah saw it coming.Noah knew what was coming and when.It will be the same at the coming of Jesus.Most people are ignorant about what is coming and when.But not everyone.

Another confused Christian. The last trump and the trump of God have nothing to do with divine judgments. They are for the Resurrection/Rapture.

But not in advance. So give up your ridiculous ideas.

Sorry your another confused Christian.

The last trump is when the kingdom of this world becomes Christs and he reigns.Gods Devine judgement is quite good if you belong to Christ.It is at that time that the servants of God are rewarded.
The prophets that are resurected.
Do you have something against the saints being rewarded?


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Yes in advance.

All you have to do is watch for one event and then the amount of days is given to the final event.You just have to be able to understand those two events ,but they are definitely in the bible.

It's funny that we were talking about the seventh Trump for in the same chapter I quoted is given an amount of time to that event.

The two witnesses occupy Jerusalem for 1260 days then they are killed.3.5 days later the come back to life.Thats called a resurrection.Rising from.the dead.

The same day the great earthquake strikes Jerusalem and a cloud ascends into heaven.

There is 1263.5 days advanced notice .


But I learned this same day in a different book by a different prophet who wrote of the same events.He gave 1290 day advance notice to that day.


All one needs to do is watch as Jesus said.But you don't watch and you insist that everyone else should not watch just like you. You encourage others to ignore Christ.Them who do as Jesus said will know in advance because they watched as they were commanded.


Mark 13
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

5 signs that will happen before the second coming of Jesus Christ to earth

For centuries, prophecies and prophecies about the second coming of Jesus Christ have been the subject of deep reflection and spiritual reflection for believers
around the world. The Gospel gives us many signs that foreshadow this final event. Jesus' words, recorded in the Gospel according to Saint Matthew, regarding the events
surrounding his return contain a vision of the last days that not only reveals the trials to come, but also makes us reflect on our values and attitudes as Christians.
The first sign of the return of Jesus Christ, as foretold in the Gospel according to Saint Matthew, will be the appearance of false Christs. Jesus says,
"Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name and say, I am the Messiah. And they will deceive many." Jesus warns his disciples that
in the future many will come claiming to be Him and claiming to be the Christ. They will use His name and teachings to mislead people. From the time of the
first editions of the Gospels to the present day, history knows many cases of false Christs and prophets who, using the teachings of Jesus, tried to gain
power over the minds and hearts of people.
Their actions often lead to confusion and rifts in society and believers who seek spiritual guidance and hope. The modern world is exposed to the intensive
development of technologies and media that enable the rapid spread of information. Many false prophets use these means to spread their teachings and beliefs,
gaining followers around the world. Unfortunately, many people who are looking for answers and purpose in life are easy prey for manipulation and misinformation.
False Christs often promise spectacular miracles, healings, wealth and solutions to all problems. Their goal is to unite people around themselves to gain
power and influence, not to direct them to the true Jesus Christ.
Their actions are contrary to the true teaching of Jesus, which is based on love, mercy, humility and devotion to God and neighbor. Faced with this reality,
how should we defend ourselves against the influence of false prophets and false Christs? First of all, we need to know and understand the teachings of Jesus as
given in the Gospel in order to be able to distinguish the real message from manipulation. Critical thinking, prayer, and trust in the guiding spirit can also
help avoid the dangers of false prophets. We must seek a deep and genuine relationship with Jesus that will allow us to know His love and wisdom, and to discern
the differences between His teachings and those of the false prophets.
The second sign of the return of Jesus Christ, as reported in the Gospel according to Saint Matthew, includes a series of calamities and calamities, such as wars,
famines, plagues and earthquakes. Jesus says, "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars; beware, do not be alarmed. This must happen, but it is not over yet!
For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famine and pestilence, and earthquakes in places." . Jesus warns his disciples
that humanity will face great difficulties and suffering before the final end of time. This vision of the future is a warning to us to be ready and strengthened
in faith when these signs begin to be fulfilled.
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continuation in the video, in my previous post