End or close of the age

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Omegatime

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
 

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Let me clarify---if you were a pre-tribulation rapture believer how would you justify this as end of the age??

or any other view?
 

Pilgrimshope

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭


“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


A world is ending but another is promised ahead we’re being saved from the end of this one to live in the other to come

translation from temporal things that die forever with passing time , translated into eternal things that do not pass away with time

the harvest is at the end of this world when Jesus returns from heaven , we’re being harvested for the new creation we’re the people that will live there
 

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“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭


“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


A world is ending but another is promised ahead we’re being saved from the end of this one to live in the other to come

translation from temporal things that die forever with passing time , translated into eternal things that do not pass away with time

the harvest is at the end of this world when Jesus returns from heaven , we’re being harvested for the new creation we’re the people that will live there
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So do you see at end of the Tribulation has the same timing as meeting the Lord in the air????
 

Niki7

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
When God gives the word to make it happen

why people always tryin to guess what the Bible is plain we should not guess on
 

Omegatime

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When God gives the word to make it happen

why people always tryin to guess what the Bible is plain we should not guess on
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Are you quoting--Only the Father knows??
 

Pilgrimshope

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So do you see at end of the Tribulation has the same timing as meeting the Lord in the air????
I see “the great tribulation “ as being about the generetion of those days and fulfillment t of the prophets regarding those things against Jerusalem . when Jesus walked among them and John was writing revelation when it was about to be fulfilled

again not all of revelation but a good portion is about this being fulfilled is my opinion (. My my opinion nothing more than that )

“Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. ( ad 70)


For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”( second coming end of the world )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:34-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The great tribulation just my opinion was what he was preparing them with him then to know would come after he departed

As Jesus was saying that his disciples came asking about what he had said which is when he tells them about the great tribulation and destruction of Jerusalem and its temple . But also they pose a second question to him which makes his answer confusing he’s talking about the end of Jerusalem and also the end of the world later

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, (1) when shall these things be?( Jerusalems destruction ad 70)

( 2) and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”( youll note why I made this one question )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My point is some of what Jesus is saying is about that generation and specific to those people in that place Jerusalem. And other parts of what he’s saying there is about the long range and the end of the world when Jesus returns from heaven

About them and my thought of the “great tribulation period “

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, ( of what he’s describing to them they’ll go through ) the same shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: let him which is on the house top not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He seems to be telling then they will have to go through this to me but in other places he discusses his return after all that happens

I believe each testament has an end and the great tribulation was about thiers ending and thier jidgement being fulfilled

and jesus will return from heaven to settle the account with the whole world at the conclusion of the prophecy on the nt doctrine also written on the ot but taught in the new
 

Pilgrimshope

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So do you see at end of the Tribulation has the same timing as meeting the Lord in the air????
No meeting the lord in the air after the dead are raised up is at the end of the world

tribulation was that generetion is my opinion
 

Omegatime

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No meeting the lord in the air after the dead are raised up is at the end of the world

tribulation was that generetion is my opinion
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So you are a partial preterist Pilgrimshope??
 

Omegatime

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No meeting the lord in the air after the dead are raised up is at the end of the world

tribulation was that generetion is my opinion
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Do you mean at end of the 7 year tribulation--having trouble following you??
 

Niki7

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Are you quoting--Only the Father knows??
I am answering your question with what I believe from scripture
 

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
Hello, O. The timing of the harvest is at the end of the age when Jesus returns at the 7th trump, His Second Advent. And in the twinkling of an eye, we will all be changed into our spiritual bodies.

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

- 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
 

Pilgrimshope

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Do you mean at end of the 7 year tribulation--having trouble following you??
Yes that’s common lol I’m not really great at being articulate I apologize

The seven year tribulation period ? I’ve heard and discussed that but never really saw the doctrine for it in scripture

consider this the ot promise of the coming of the messiah

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The nt promise of the coming of the messiah

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43, 49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Consider Paul’s teaching the same thing

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭

I look at Jesus return this way

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35-41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7, 9-10, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


my point is on the ot there’s a whole bunch of prophecy for them that would be fulfilled when the messiah came to them and it ends up in Jerusalems utter destruction in a time of tribulation like no other for all of thier rebellion and worship of false gods all along and eventual rejection of he himself in person

i don’t really know what label I’d say I am I never really did look into what none of em meant . Just a commoner trying to understand the Bible better honestly if I labeled a denomination sti on it would be Protestant I’m in no way interested in theology just scripture
 

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
After the saints in Israel have been persecuted 3.5 years.
On the day of the Lord during great tribulation.Same day the armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem.


Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.



I highly doubt it would take more than 45 days to remove the weeds from the kingdom.

Daniel.12:12
Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
 

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From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
Given the way things have gone from bad to worse, the end of the age is probably quite close. But Christians need to know (1) the Resurrection/Rapture must occur first (2) the reign of the Antichrist must happen after that, and then (3) the harvest of those who are under judgment will happen. Some of it will be during the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, and some of it at the Second Coming of Christ. But there can be no date-setting. All these attempts at date-setting simply confuse people.
 

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39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels

From Matthew 13:26-43

From your view point of the end of the age state your timing of the harvest??
Jesus told the disciples that the harvest was ripe for the gathering... and He told them to get bush harvesting.... Matthew 28:19, 20

So, I would sat the time for harvest is now,
 

Omegatime

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Hello, O. The timing of the harvest is at the end of the age when Jesus returns at the 7th trump, His Second Advent. And in the twinkling of an eye, we will all be changed into our spiritual bodies.

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

- 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
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Ok, the Lord comes at the 7th Trump, what do you do with the bowl or vial judgments