Election teaches that salvation comes from the Lord.

That’s what you believe. Thanks for your opinion 😉

1 Thessalonian 1:

2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

For consideration of the election of God, election is for the saved to serve, he works his faith, labors in love, and is being patient in the coming of the Lord

Peter wrote it this way...
To those who are elect for "obedience to Jesus."
Peter furthers the thought a little later by...
calling them "obedient children."

Later on in the following chapters he makes this statement...
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election.

Peter is clearly speaking about the election and calling of what your job in God is supposed to be.

Thanks for your opinion. 🙂

Peter wrote it this way...
To those who are elect for "obedience to Jesus."
Peter furthers the thought a little later by...
calling them "obedient children."

Later on in the following chapters he makes this statement...
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election.

Peter is clearly speaking about the election and calling of what your job in God is supposed to be.

I think you would agree that if you’re saved, then you need to start learning to function in the Spirit and get the breakthroughs that you and your family need. If you don’t have those desires, then you can question if you’re saved or not.

… or better said, obedient to Jesus because they are Elect.

… or better said, obedient to Jesus because they are Elect.

Not all elect are obedient.

If all were obedient?
We would not have the following passage!


1 Corinthians 3:11-15

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be
revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.

If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s
work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."


grace and peace ..........

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I wonder about this because many here on this forum teach doing any works is unrighteous and they are the ones preaching Grace, predestined, foreknown, elected. Now times that by millions all over the world in these doctrines. So they are not doing good works for God at all.

But Peter is telling us these people he is writing about were elected to specifically be obedient to Jesus.

So one group says elected to do no works and another is saying elected to do good works.

Only one can be correct.

Elected for good works.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

- Ephesians 2:10

I wonder about this because many here on this forum teach doing any works is unrighteous and they are the ones preaching Grace, predestined, foreknown, elected. Now times that by millions all over the world in these doctrines. So they are not doing good works for God at all.

But Peter is telling us these people he is writing about were elected to specifically be obedient to Jesus.

So one group says elected to do no works and another is saying elected to do good works.

Only one can be correct.

They confuse the reality when they see the word "works."

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves,
it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

They fail to see what was taking place when that was written. For religious legalism was rampant in in the ancient world.
One example: the Pharisees collectively were an issuer of promoting works that one must do to be saved!

That is how we get to see the word "works." Works = plural.
Works = system of man-designed deeds that one must do in order to earn salvation from God.

Because the anti works crowd can not discern the difference? They have misconstrued that any work is forbidden.

Even the *one work* Jesus prescribed for salvation!



The disciples inquired of Jesus to see what his system of works might be.
They asked just as many Jews did with the Pharisees. Its why we see in the Gospels people asking Jesus what works they must do to inherit eternal life.

Only one work! Not a system of works!


There we have it
Salvation "de-Calvinized!"


grace and peace .................

Dude, I was tracking and then all of the sudden you said “elect”.
It’s amazing how one word can discredit an entire response. Why is that word so important, and why do you have to use it? I’ve given a whole bunch of replies on this forum and so have many others without even using or thinking about that word. Perplexing hangup.

Not all elect are obedient.

If all were obedient?
We would not have the following passage!


1 Corinthians 3:11-15

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be
revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.

If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s
work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."


grace and peace ..........

.........Elect means simply... those whom God knew would believe, and chose for His purpose and plan to be active in our dispensation.

Elect means simply... those whom God knew would believe, and chose for His purpose and plan to be active in our dispensation.

But Genez, you use that in literally all of your posts. I’ve looked at them and it appears to have become a stronghold for you that you filter everything you see or hear to be about predestination or election.

Lord I pray for Genez, to receive your truth to him and set him free from this stronghold. Deliver him
Lord. In Jesus name

What you said would be the what, not the who, but God's foreknowledge is/was the who - those whom He had chosen to salvation.

[Rom 8:28-30 KJV]
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

What you said would be the what, not the who, but God's foreknowledge is/was the who - those whom He had chosen to salvation.

[Rom 8:28-30 KJV]
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.