Election teaches that salvation comes from the Lord.

I don’t know. There’s a lot I don’t know about God and the Bible, but I can recognize when a person only talks about one mindset and everything is filtered through that. Okay, so it’s great to know what elect and predestination means. There’s obviously some revelation there, but there’s a problem when you keep trying to push it above everything else. You have no other revelations or anything other than elect and predestination?
If I keep trying to hammer people about a Biblical topic and it’s all I can talk about, then there’s a problem.
What was your salvation experience? What about Christian experiences after salvation? Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Etc?

No. Paul was speaking to all of the elect, and to those in Rome in particular. Salvation is the same regardless of timeframe.

Those verses speak of salvation. Everyone who becomes saved, becomes so in the same why - by/through Christ - He is alone
is the Saviour. You attempt to break into independent individual pieces that which should be taken as a whole.

I already showed the usage of the language structure Paul used that both Church Fathers and Theologians point out to show who Paul is talking about.

The proof that you are not educated to know the Greek structure proves why you continue to get it wrong.

How can you show that which you don't understand? The only thing you managed to show is that you do not understand the fundamental tenets of salvation.

Then the whole process of salvation, which is quite clear, doesn't apply at all to the "chosen", correct? So, if you were "chosen", you don't have to believe, confess, repent of your sins, and be baptized, right? That makes no sense! And there is only one way you become "in Christ" according to the bible, and that is by being baptized into Christ.

And you're forgetting, or maybe not understanding one important factor regarding to being "chosen" before the world began, and that is God's foreknowledge. Because he knew in advance those that would ultimately become his, he then logically, likewise, chose them.

That would be what not who.

The term “Foreknowledge” is the key

“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You know what man, if you really feel the desire to talk about the elect predestined thing strongly then go for it. Don’t listen to me. Yes, I could be wrong. I certainly don’t know everything. You have to go with what you feel is the right thing. Peace 👍

We’ll dont worry though brother either youre “elect or your not “ so anything you do or say right or wrong won’t matter anyways we’ll all find out on the bye and by 😁

I did show it to you and it's obvious you lack the understanding.

Haha right 😊

Before the church age began OT Jews became saved by believing in the Lord God of Israel, "Adonoy Eloheinu" who later was to deny himself his right to be as God, and made Himself to become the man Jesus to die in our place on the Cross. Later to be glorified as he returned to being as God.


Who, being eternally existing in the very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


Philippians 2:6-8

I am not going by "feeling." That would be subjective thinking.

The only thing you lack is being taught many truths that will eventually mature you into being able to think with the Word objectively.
But, when you ask for someone to prove themself in a post or two? What would require you get down to some serious Bible study, being shown and taught by a mature competent teacher (not myself - not my gift) What could require weeks of learning.

That is the problem when you demand instant enlightenment. Jesus disciples were taught daily for three years and even they did not know enough until later on....

You got to really want it.

Like Nicodemus right? He was a teacher of Israel and yet could not understand Jesus. Jesus also said to the Pharisees “You search the scriptures thinking that through them you have eternal life, yet the scriptures point to Me…” They memorized the Torah and had scriptures on themselves yet they didn’t know God when He was standing right in front of them. The main argument against the disciples was that they were “unlearned, unread, and untrained” yet they turned the workd upside down because if their experience and relationship with Jesus. I appreciate your words, but I feel that I can gain more by fasting and praying and spending time with Jesus. It’s amazing the depth of understanding that comes from fasting, and failing at fasting.

No one becomes saved by anything they may or may not do. We become saved only because God had chosen us unto salvation
from before the foundation of the world. At a time of His choosing, He grants it to us. It is, and has always been, a completely free gift from God by His exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ. To those to whom it has been bequeathed, no prerequisites nor conditions are attached to it. Salvation, from the first person saved unto the last person to be saved, become so in that manner. Any attributes, such as a belief in Christ, or a change in perspective of things spiritual, come as a byproduct and result of salvation - they neither lead to nor bring salvation - and that is what makes it by grace and not by works.
Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour, man is not.

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Rom 3:11-12 KJV]
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Jesus spoke about what you mistakenly think is for today.
Jesus said those things at a time when no one had become a new creation in Christ!




Now we have become a new spiritual species. One that we are to have understanding of the Word for our food!


grace and peace! ....

What God has chosen for? Chosen for us what is to be included in our salvation.

For example: OT saints were waiting for a Messiah who will rule over them forever.

In contrast to to what they were chosen for?...

NT saints are awaiting the return of the Messiah, so we can rule with Him!



Big difference in what God has sovereignly chosen us for!
God does not choose to save us. He saves whomever He knows will believe.

What he chose us for is what is to be in store for us whom He knows will believe!

OT believers were not waiting for a Messiah whom they would reign with!
Christians who mature will be reigning over OT believers!
God did not choose OT believers to reign with Him in His Kingdom.

Saved people were chosen for service. God bless

Saved people were not chosen for just one thing.
But no matter what they were given gifts for?
All must serve the Lord with their gift(s).
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