Election teaches that salvation comes from the Lord.

Jesus spoke about what you mistakenly think is for today.
Jesus said those things at a time when no one had become a new creation in Christ!




Now we have become a new spiritual species. One that we are to have understanding of the Word for our food!


grace and peace! ....

God does not choose to save us. He saves whomever He knows will believe.

I don't believe that possible. The unsaved will not /cannot truly believe in Christ because they do not have spiritual discernment to do so. Spiritual discernment only comes to someone when saved with/from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Co 2:13 - 14 below).
Besides, God foreknowledge was based upon who, not what.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Rom 3:11-12 KJV]
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

I believe that everyone who has been predestined will heed and accept the Gospel of Christ. In other words, whoever comes to the Lord has been called and saved before the foundation of the world. They are of the Elect.

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

- Romans 8:28-30

Roman 10:9-10 says 9for, if you confess* with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved.

Romans 10:13 says everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

To believe from the heart is not possible until first becoming saved/born again, as the verses I posted so state. The heart must
first be changed by God

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.



To truly call upon the name of the Lord one must first be saved because only then will/can someone recognize Him
as the Saviour.
The "shall be saved" is stated in the future tense, meaning the redemption/salvation of the body on the last day.

Did you not read the verses I included in my post to Genez?
If not, when you have a chance, please read them - they're self-explanatory.

hat is simply not true. You know it’s not true. Romans 5:8 said that “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Christ didn’t wait for us to be cleaned up and then save us.

All a person has to do is pray and ask Jesus in their lives and He will come in.

That is simply not true. You know it’s not true. Romans 5:8 said that “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Christ didn’t wait for us to be cleaned up and then save us. Once you ask Jesus to come in, He comes in. Jesus says “ Behold I stand at the door and knock. If any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him…”
Actually the Father begins drawing us to Him. Zaccheus repented after Jesus talked to him. The woman at the well believed Jesus and her whole village was saved. Jesus and Paul and all the apostles always used “whosoever, any man, etc.” to include anyone who calls on the name will be saved. Peter called out to Jesus when he was sinking and Jesus saved him.

All a person has to do is pray and ask Jesus in their lives and He will come in.

Jesus I bind the spirit of confusion trying to come into this discussion and I commmand you to loose any person reading this, release them and flee now in Jesus name!

Read the verses I posted. If you don't understand them, let me know and I'll try to explain.

Mmm. Everything Jesus said is for us today. Salvation is for today. Jesus Rae from the dead and is alive. But you have to ask Him to come into your life (Romans 10:9-10, 13). “9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. …13 For whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

I don't believe that possible. The unsaved will not /cannot truly believe in Christ because they do not have spiritual discernment to do so. Spiritual discernment only comes to someone when saved with/from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Co 2:13 - 14 below).
Besides, God's foreknowledge was based upon who, not what.

I don't believe that possible. The unsaved will not /cannot truly believe in Christ because they do not have spiritual discernment to do so. Spiritual discernment only comes to someone when saved with/from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Co 2:13 - 14 below).
Besides, God's foreknowledge was based upon who, not what.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Rom 3:11-12 KJV]
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

[Heb 4:2 KJV]
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

grace and peace

I don’t believe you and several other are capable of speaking anything without using predestined or elect in literally anything you say. Where is “elect” or predestined mentioned in Romans 3:23, 6:23, 5:8, 10:9-10, 13?

There’s a reason God led you to this forum, and there’s a reason I’m telling you that you’ve accepted a lie from the enemy to keep you bound and to steal from you and your families and friends. None if you who keep saying elect and pre-destined have acknowledged Jesus as your Lord and Savior. None of you have mentioned praying that prayer and calling out to Jesus for salvation. Why do you think the enemy wants to keep you from it? Mark 3:27 says No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house.
The enemy wants to take everything from you but Jesus forever intercedes for us. Matthew 18:19 says
“Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.”
If you want Jesus in your life then agree with me in this prayer “ Lord, forgive me from my sins. Heal me and deliver me from everything that is not pleasing to you. Deliver me from the evil one and put a right spirit within me. Jesus, I plead your shed blood over me, my house, my family and all my possessions. I bind the enemy coming against me, and I loose the Holy Spirit to have free reign in my house. In Jesus name amen.”

I’m praying this for you as well.

It’s saddening to see how the mind works sometimes.

No doubt there's many bound with false doctrine