Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

Your saying the water you Baptise with will be in a man and will clean his conscience?

I highly doubt you are the Messiah.


John 4
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.




Your faith in the water of this world is great,but you would have been better off with living water instead.

Just planting seeds. Some plant, some water, and it is God who gives the increase. The word of God is sharper than a two-edged sword. It does not return void. Keep in mind silence accomplishes nothing. Unless it is silent prayer of course.

I've already told you water is not Jesus name.When someone is Baptised in water then that is what they are Baptised in .It is the spirit of God baptism that is in Jesus name.Jesus explained the holy Ghost comes in his name.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Water is not the name of Christ.It is the holy spirit that is the seal of God.The logos.Not water.

“A theology based on negating one verse with another.”

amen we are to do the exact opposite build verses up into a complete picture one upon the other reconciling all things into a great mosaic of His true and everlasting doctrine. Not negating one with the other or relying on only a few single plucked out verses , but rather place then where they belong without the doctrinal tapestry or mosaic we’re looking at

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.( everyone’s doctrine )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice that this isn’t designed to condemn someone who believes the gospel but then for some happenstance wasnt offered baptism by anyone or didn’t understand what it’s for and didn’t partake

But rather it’s a call for believers to hear and believe the gospel get baptized and be saved. And it only condemns those who don’t believe the gospel , not those who maybe weren’t able to get baptized for some reason

On the other hand there’s a category of a believer that actively works against the necessary and doctrine of baptism as it is presented plainly in scripture what it’s for how it’s done the fact that it does include water ect this isn’t the same as someone not able to get baptized but more like a false doctrine advocating against baptism and teaching other ideas about baptism from what’s plainly stated in the doctrine

No one is going to refuse baptism if they understand it it’s a gift from God in Jesus name for the remission of all our sins . But also No believer of Jesus and the gospel is going to be kept from salvation for a technicality or something they never understood was needed themselves

i know I needed baptism for remission of my sins in Jesus name who died for them , for me but that makes me accountable table for getting baptized not everyone else

advocates for baptism should share what it is and what it means in the scriptures to believers then theyll have an informed choice

Though I agree with much of what you have written, I am not convinced that the verbiage used in Mark 16:16 is expressing this notion.

If Jesus was trying to convey that the remission of sins can be done without water baptism, why not just simply state it.

"but he that believeth not shall be damned" is a poor proof text for such a belief.

Does God in His mercy make provision for such rare occasions? I believe so but Mark 16:16 is not the answer.

That is pure NONSENSE. When Christ said: Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God, what exactly did He mean? If you know your Bible you should also know that in Scripture water is used AS A METAPHOR for (1) the Word of God, and more specifically the Gospel, and (2) the Holy Spirit.

And because this is true about the Gospel, this is what Peter says (1 Peter 1:23-25): Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of WGod, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

So you can clearly see your absolutely false teaching about water baptism. The Cathoic Church insists -- as do you -- that a person is regenerated by water baptism. As though H2O has any spiritual power!

And I do not disagree. The written Word -- as given -- is all mankind (and Christians need).

This Catholic Church nonsense is getting old.

You are simply attempting to mock the remission of sins through obedience to God's command by water baptism.

This is pride, this is rebellion to God's Word. Reconsider your words.

There are many uses of water as a symbol in the bible.
Not that I believe you will read this but:
Water
The word "water" is used in a variety of metaphorical ways in Scripture. It is used to symbolize the troublesome times in life that can and do come to human beings, especially God's children ( Psalm 32:6 ; Psalms 69:1 Psalms 69:2 Psalms 69:14 Psalms 69:15 ; Isa 43:2 ; Lam 3:54 ). In some contexts water stands for enemies who can attack and need to be overcome ( 2 Sam 22:17-18 ; Psalm 18:16-17 ; 124:4-5 ; 144:7 ; Isa 8:7 ; Jer 47:2 ). In both the Old and New Testaments, the word "water" is used for salvation and eternal life, which God offers humankind through faith in his Son ( Isa 12:3 ; 55:1 ; Rev 21:6 ; Revelation 22:1 Revelation 22:2 Revelation 22:17 ). In John 4:10-15, part of Jesus' discourse with the Samaritan woman at the well, he speaks metaphorically of his salvation as "living water" and as "a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

Following along this same theme, water sometimes symbolizes the spiritual cleansing that comes with the acceptance of God's offer of salvation ( Ezek 36:25 ; Eph 5:26 ; Heb 10:22 ). In fact, in Ephesians 5:26, the "water" that does the cleansing of the bride, the church, is directly tied in with God's Word, of which it is a symbol.

In a very important passage, Jesus identifies the "streams of living water" that flow from within those who believe in him with the Holy Spirit ( John 7:37-39 ). The reception of the Holy Spirit is clearly the special reception that was going to come after Jesus had been glorified at the Father's right hand and happened on the Day of Pentecost as described in Acts 2. Two times in Jeremiah Yahweh is metaphorically identified as "the spring of living water" ( Jer 2:13 ; 17:13 ). In both instances Israel is rebuked for having forsaken the Lord for other cisterns that could in no way satisfy their "thirst."

In other passages of Scripture, the following are said metaphorically to be "water": God's help ( Isa 8:6 : "the gently flowing waters of Shiloah" ); God's judgment ( Isa 28:17 : "water will overflow your hiding place" ); man's words ( Prov 18:4 : "The words of man's mouth are deep waters" ); man's purposes ( Prov 20:5 : "The purposes of a man's heart are deep waters" ); an adulterous woman ( Prov 9:17 : "Stolen water is sweet" ); and a person's posterity ( Isa 48:1 : "Listen to this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel and have come forth out of the line [waters] of Judah" ).

The reference to "water" in John 3:5 has been variously interpreted by scholars. Some have taken the phrase, "being born of water, " to mean being born again by means of water baptism. Others have taken the verse to involve a hendiadys and take "water" and "Spirit" together as one reference since water is a symbol of the Holy Spirit in other passages. Still others take the birth by water to be one's natural birth and the birth by the Spirit to be the supernatural birth of being "born again" or regenerated. This seems to be what Nicodemus, in the context, understood Jesus to be saying. In order to enter the kingdom of God one must have two births, each a different kind. After all, water, in its ordinary sense, has a great part to play in the natural birth of a baby. Furthermore, there are too many clear passages and single verses in the Bible that base salvation, entrance into the kingdom of God, and eternal life on faith alone.

[QUOTE="Wansvic, post: 5317096, member: 277938"]No one will enter Heaven unless their sins have been remitted. And water baptism in the name of Jesus was established by God for that purpose. That's scripture. Not an opinion.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. Disagree. Yes, it's opinion.

I think it’s a great summary of an answer but my point remains if someone was to hear and believe the gospel in scripture they are going to gladly embrace baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭

what I’m saying is some believers have never even heard what baptism is for or why Christian’s get baptized in his name they hear other things . If we hear the truth it’s going to lead us to getting baptized because we heard and believed

An answer to your absurd point.

Agreed. Disagree. Yes, it's opinion. [/QUOTE]
There are correct opinions and incorrect opinions.

Those who act on the correct opinion will have their sins remitted.

Your question,
"How do you get water baptized on a cross?" was absurd. Hence my response.

What kind of answer were you expecting???

ThereRoseaLamb---"Baptism isn't needed for salvation"
Jesus Christ---"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Agreed.

I did not ask for the reason. I asked what was it necessary for?

You said it was not necessary for salvation. Okay what is it necessary for?