Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

Or, maybe they didn't belong to Him. Do we not know about the offspring of the Sons of God?

So the flood didn't wipe out the physical ones, and some of the angelic ones have escaped imprisonment and impregnated women again, and sons of disobedience and the adversary are not spiritual by choice who end up with all the by choice adversaries, but actual physical offspring created by the Potter / elected by God to occupy the Lake of Fire?

Obedience to the Trinity is true freedom.

What do you believe is the cost of making right choices?

Willful obedience?

Yes.

Too deep for the lack of personal responsibility crowd.

Don't worry, the way they are going, they will have a long time to try to make up for it?

I couldn't agree more. And again to the said "christian's" credit, I acknowledge that is a terrifying thing to consider that they might be wrong, for this would mean that their entire perception of the Bible is wrong. If I had not felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God, I would have never dedicated my life to studying His Holy Word and would have never been able to see into the Word, rather than only recognizing what I can read and recite. The Bible is so much greater than simple memorization. In fact, I make no attempt to memorize Scripture at this stage of my Faith. Though I am 7 years into Transformation, I am still eager to learn the deeper truths, and therefore do not have the time for memorization . . . [that] will come later.

Philippians 1:29 KJV - 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake . . ."

Until such people acknowledge the above Scripture, there is no hope of knowing the truth.

If grace cannot be refused and Christ cannot be freely accepted.....

the logical implication becomes that God could have foreordained the salvation of all, just as easily, just as righteously, as He foreordained the salvation of only some.

Even if we accept the out of context, proof texts of "inability" the moral dilemma remains and there is no covering up this morally ambivalent god, some apologists even say evil god.

I cannot even believe this is even something that needs to be debated, but since people seem to be indoctrinated we have no choice but to defend the Gospel of Christ Jesus.

Any doctrine that denies the power and sufficiency of the message of the Gospel and requires a grace that cannot be refused is non-biblical.

Yep. But isn't it interesting that the Sons of God mated with the offspring of Canaan and not those of Shem and Japheth? That wouldn't occur until the Blessed Jews entered into the desert for forty years. This is where the Vine of Christ would once again become a low-lying, nearly undetectable Vine. The Blessed Jews would continue to corrupt the Vine through their adultery with abominations.

And each member of the Trinity demands responsibility for Circumcising hearts:

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Romans 2:28-29 NLT - 28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. ... 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

Oh, right. I lack Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom. Yet none here will teach the Trinity through the doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision. Suck complete and utter blindness.

John 9:39-41 NLT - 39 Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." 40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" 41 "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

Excellent timeline. It only lacks repentance, which many erroneously equate to beginning to actively resist sin. I see repentance as comparable to Moses seeing the burning bush, which caught his attention, and drew it away from his mundane focus on shepherding that would have lead him ignorantly to pass by bush, and redirected it towards what God was doing. After this redirection of his mind (metanoeia) he the began to fix his attention on what God was doing and saying. That would equate to listening. And I would place justification at the time he believes the gospel and God reckons his faith as righteousness, followed by the neew birth/baptism by the Holy Spirit into Christ. So -

Natural Man in Adam > happens upon the preaching and signs of the Gospel of God of Jesus = Christ - the Power of God for Salvation - being ultimately taught by God through His servant preachers/proclaimers sent by God (just as it was through His Servant Son whom He sent) >> turns aside to find out more (repentance) >> listens and observes with attention >> under the Convicting Ministry of the Holy Spirit (concerning the ascension and the promised Christ made Lord = Jesus > Believes (or Rejects) > justified, deemed righteous by God >> Born from Above from the seed / Word of God & Ministry of God the Holy Spirit, baptized by the Spirit, circumcised without hands in heart & becomes an Infant Christian in Christ in Spirit - a spiritually ignorant Christian still oriented to being fleshly & sinning > drinks as commanded the Milk of Basic Christian Teachings about the Spiritual Life in Christ > Becomes a Young Man eating more advanced spiritual food > becomes a Mature Christian - no longer oriented to being fleshy but now trained by God and oriented to the Walk in Spirit and not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh - able to digest the advanced spiritual Meat of the full scope of the Gospel about the deep things of God, the things God has prepared for those who love Him - being increasingly conformed to the likeness of Christ, in pursuit of the high call of God in Christ Jesus, perfection, arriving at the resurrection.

Nice work though.

But the context of the Bible has the slave Onesimus escaping from Philemon.

In order of the highlighted:

Universalism says He did just that, so we contend with that also.

Nicely said.

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed, and the full scope of the Gospel re: entrance, walk, glory - infancy through maturity and beyond.

Clearly stated in the Text along with the activity of the Spirit. Nicely stated again.

Thank you for the clarity even though it will be read as gibberish by some.

Interesting interpretation of things.

First, when Onesimus escaped, he was not . . . NOT a child of God. However, when he was converted by God through Paul's teaching, Paul urged Philemon to take him back "forever." Was that the Plan of God for anyone else in captivity? No.

Philemon 1:15 NLT - "It seems you lost Onesimus for a little while so that you could have him back forever."

This place is filled with nearly 100% chiefs and very few Indians. So exhausting!

Thanks. All good comments so, again, Thanks. I'm sure there are more things that can be inserted. I'm also sure there are some who will "fix" it for us. We both know there are some who will simply ignore it and proof-text away...

So, not being able to make choices is having a will that is free?

I have zero desire to fix people who refuse to be fixed. We don't ever need to share ideas . . . ever. I'm fine with that. You have no beef with me or vice versa.