The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation
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as per predestination and election, i believe that God is the potter …
“Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker—one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’?
Isaiah 45:9
“But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Romans 9:20
.”Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel
jeremiah 18:3-6
There is no doubt that God creates us for his purposes, for his good pleasure. not all that God has created is created for salvation, he has created some for assignments to try and test his people.
“21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,”
Romans 9:21-23
“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5
“For You formed my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
Psalm 139:13
I do believe in the sovereign power of my God who predestined his chosen in christ before the foundation of the world; giving those he has chosen a type of intuition (for lack of a better word) to acknowledge something greater than himself, when they are outside and watch the wind blow through the leaves of the trees, they acknowledge Gods glory in all of His creation. The searching out that takes us down different rabbit holes trying to find Him becomes our quest, some find Jesus but some also find allah or molech.
“Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker—one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’?
Isaiah 45:9
“But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Romans 9:20
.”Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel
jeremiah 18:3-6
There is no doubt that God creates us for his purposes, for his good pleasure. not all that God has created is created for salvation, he has created some for assignments to try and test his people.
“21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,”
Romans 9:21-23
“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5
“For You formed my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
Psalm 139:13
I do believe in the sovereign power of my God who predestined his chosen in christ before the foundation of the world; giving those he has chosen a type of intuition (for lack of a better word) to acknowledge something greater than himself, when they are outside and watch the wind blow through the leaves of the trees, they acknowledge Gods glory in all of His creation. The searching out that takes us down different rabbit holes trying to find Him becomes our quest, some find Jesus but some also find allah or molech.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
What is the adoption according to scripture?
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The adoption is something the believer is waiting on. It is the redemption of the body. It is the end result of those in Christ. When a person believes the gospel and is placed in Christ, their destination is determined. That destination is the future adoption. It is when the believer is finally conformed into the image of Jesus Christ.
What is the adoption according to scripture?
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The adoption is something the believer is waiting on. It is the redemption of the body. It is the end result of those in Christ. When a person believes the gospel and is placed in Christ, their destination is determined. That destination is the future adoption. It is when the believer is finally conformed into the image of Jesus Christ.
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Hello EG,
Let me say this about that. We do not want to be "more Holy" than God Himself. What did God say about His choosing of Israel?
Amos3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
God had no trouble singling out one nation, and excluding the rest. Then not even all in that nation were chosen
Rom9:
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Now the gospel goes worldwide, but not everyone worldwide is going to be the object of the saving love of God....it will only be the children scattered worldwide who will be found
jn11:
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
From our view point, we offer the gospel to all. God has another plan at work.!
Let me say this about that. We do not want to be "more Holy" than God Himself. What did God say about His choosing of Israel?
Amos3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
God had no trouble singling out one nation, and excluding the rest. Then not even all in that nation were chosen
Rom9:
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Now the gospel goes worldwide, but not everyone worldwide is going to be the object of the saving love of God....it will only be the children scattered worldwide who will be found
jn11:
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
From our view point, we offer the gospel to all. God has another plan at work.!
Hello EG,
I understand why you might think this, but I would like you to consider that it is simply descriptive of the person who does come. It is not contingent, but an actual description of the one who comes
jn10:
9 I am the door, through me if any one may come in, he shall be saved, and he shall come in, and go out, and find pasture.
10 `The thief doth not come, except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they may have life, and may have [it] abundantly.
11 `I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd his life layeth down for the sheep;
I understand why you might think this, but I would like you to consider that it is simply descriptive of the person who does come. It is not contingent, but an actual description of the one who comes
jn10:
9 I am the door, through me if any one may come in, he shall be saved, and he shall come in, and go out, and find pasture.
10 `The thief doth not come, except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they may have life, and may have [it] abundantly.
11 `I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd his life layeth down for the sheep;
Hello Mike,
The Christian life is very exciting in that as we serve God we offer life to dead sinners. God can and does heal today, according to His will. God used signs in wonders in History and during the foundational times of the Apostles.Eph.2:20-22.
I would like to be an Apostle, but the ones God has given have done exactly what He designed for them to do.
I have learned to be content with the great gift of scripture he has had them give to us, and as the Spirit illuminates these truths to us , we can do the greater works of preaching Christ worldwide. learn the word, use the word, serve God.
The Christian life is very exciting in that as we serve God we offer life to dead sinners. God can and does heal today, according to His will. God used signs in wonders in History and during the foundational times of the Apostles.Eph.2:20-22.
I would like to be an Apostle, but the ones God has given have done exactly what He designed for them to do.
I have learned to be content with the great gift of scripture he has had them give to us, and as the Spirit illuminates these truths to us , we can do the greater works of preaching Christ worldwide. learn the word, use the word, serve God.
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But we are not talking about nations. We are talking about individuals. And even nations, God is full of grace. We saw this with Abraham, where he said the iniquity of the amorite's were not yet complete. God does not destroy a nation until there is no hope (He said even Sodom and Gomorrah would be spared if there were enough saved) And he relented his judgment on Ninevah because they repented at the preaching of Jonah
Not sure what this has to do with John 3, God loved the world. that whoever believes.
The gospel is simple.
God demands everyone make a decision. We can believe, and be made alive, or we can remain condemned because of unbelief,.
My question still stands, why would we limit Gods love, when he demands we love our enemy, When God himself will not do what he demands of us.
Its still descriptive
I am the door. and if anyone come in
The thief does not come but to destroy (who is the thief but satan himself) I come that they may (again conditional) have life.
it all is based on who comes.. They they may (have the ability or possibility) to have life.
the reason Jesus came
I am the door. and if anyone come in
The thief does not come but to destroy (who is the thief but satan himself) I come that they may (again conditional) have life.
it all is based on who comes.. They they may (have the ability or possibility) to have life.
the reason Jesus came
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now this makes no sense.
We are told to repent and believe
but then we are unable to make that decision
Yes, Many have, but what of those who believe to the saving of the soul?
This says he knew all men, and did not need their testimony.. It does not say man can not repent.
Again, It still does not answer the question
1. God told us to love our enemy. in doing this we are like him
2. How can he hold us accountable for this, when he will nto do it himself?
hey bro. Can yu check your quotes in the futrure, this is the second time I have had to open your response and cut and past your response in a quote to respond to you.
God offers everyone a new heart. They have to recieve it. God is not a respector of persons.
I agree
Not of blood (my parents can not make me saved if they are saved, it does not pass to me)
I can not will myself to heaven, if I could. Christ died in vail, God has to save me
No one can will me to heaven, and I can not will anyone else to heaven, again, god must save not us.
And god told us how to be saved, But as many as have recieved him, to THEM he gave the right to become children of God. I can go on and on. But this one verse says it perfectly
We are not. Why would you attribute something to us that is not true?
I can not will myself to heaven, or will myself to forgiveness. I do not know where this thinking even came from.
yes, Born again, of the spirit. And jesus told us how.. As moses lifted the serpent, so to must the son of man bel lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never perish but have eternal life, For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him will never perish, but has eternal life.
We must look to the dross in faith. God will then save us as he saved those people back on moses day. Not because they willed it. But because they trusted in God and had faith God would keep his promise. If they did not. They would not have looked.
I agree, but God does not have to make me born again to get me to believe, god has toe power to bring me to faith without all of that. And many resources to help make this happen. but we still must chose to believe.
I appose the fatalistic explanation of what that says
Your right.
But if I call on the name of the lord. Whether I do it at the time i did those things or not. I will be saved.
I prayed for months God would save me, One day I was led to walk the eisle. And a deacon took me aside and showed me the gospel. And for the first time I truly understood, not in fear as before. But in hope. And i did just that, i called on the ame of the lord. And asked him to save a wretched man as myself.
I went hime justified and born again with a new heart. Not before that
Then God tells us to do something he himself will not do.
I can’t follow a God who tells me to do what he will not do.
and I certainly can not be given hope through that God.. what hope would I have that he did nto love me either. Thats no a hope i can be sustained by
God offers everyone a new heart. They have to recieve it. God is not a respector of persons.
I agree
Not of blood (my parents can not make me saved if they are saved, it does not pass to me)
I can not will myself to heaven, if I could. Christ died in vail, God has to save me
No one can will me to heaven, and I can not will anyone else to heaven, again, god must save not us.
And god told us how to be saved, But as many as have recieved him, to THEM he gave the right to become children of God. I can go on and on. But this one verse says it perfectly
We are not. Why would you attribute something to us that is not true?
I can not will myself to heaven, or will myself to forgiveness. I do not know where this thinking even came from.
yes, Born again, of the spirit. And jesus told us how.. As moses lifted the serpent, so to must the son of man bel lifted up that WHOEVER believes will never perish but have eternal life, For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him will never perish, but has eternal life.
We must look to the dross in faith. God will then save us as he saved those people back on moses day. Not because they willed it. But because they trusted in God and had faith God would keep his promise. If they did not. They would not have looked.
I agree, but God does not have to make me born again to get me to believe, god has toe power to bring me to faith without all of that. And many resources to help make this happen. but we still must chose to believe.
I appose the fatalistic explanation of what that says
Your right.
But if I call on the name of the lord. Whether I do it at the time i did those things or not. I will be saved.
I prayed for months God would save me, One day I was led to walk the eisle. And a deacon took me aside and showed me the gospel. And for the first time I truly understood, not in fear as before. But in hope. And i did just that, i called on the ame of the lord. And asked him to save a wretched man as myself.
I went hime justified and born again with a new heart. Not before that
Then God tells us to do something he himself will not do.
I can’t follow a God who tells me to do what he will not do.
and I certainly can not be given hope through that God.. what hope would I have that he did nto love me either. Thats no a hope i can be sustained by
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