Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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iamsoandso

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I was touched when Biden came out and apologized for lying about the laptop four years ago, and also admitting that his handling of the border has been criminal. I'm glad he admitted he should never have mandated the vaccine and that sending $160 billion to Ukraine was probably a bad idea. He also agreed that his exit from Afghanistan could not have gone worse. The honesty was really surprising. I think that was when I woke up from my dream, but up to that point it was a really nice dream.

Wow that's shocking they must be showing us different movies in different states. The one we saw in Texas made them both seem like they couldn't stay focused on the issues. Biden seemed to drift off trying to figure out the next word time after time and I lost track of how many times Trump rambled on and on and they would say "You have 63 seconds left, the question was,,,, over and over and over.
 

iamsoandso

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The most precious part of the debate, (to me) was when Trump was explaining how far he could hit the ball but Joe couldn't hit it 50 yards,,Biden argued he was 6 under par then in the confusion changed it to 8 ,,, Trump looked at him like shut up man your confessing we play golf together and Joe said we shouldn't act like kids and then they resumed the debate....
 

ResidentAlien

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Debate pretty much told everyone what we already know: Biden is an old fogey and Trump is a conman and a liar.
 

SonJudgment

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Well after that debate it's pretty obvious that Trump has to win. It's not even a matter of personalities now, it's obvious after that debate he is the only strong leader. I would say he won based on two facets. The first facet is he fulfilled the expectation from before the debate to come in fiery and hold the democrats accountable for the misery they caused the American people for the past 4 years since they can arrogantly dismiss and gaslight the American people about it, but they can't so easily do the same to Trump. So on this point Trump looks like the people's champion striding into the wolf's den to fight the country's eldritch villains. The second point would be maybe it's more a matter of Biden just lost the debate even moreso than Trump won, while everyone knows and expected him to be a lil quirky and his age, I mean just wow, like he looked utterly frail, he could barely even form a sentence,. The degree to which Biden has declined mentally and physically is actually quite shocking past the typical jokes and memes. I woke up and immediately reflecting on it it's somewhat of a scary thought that we have someone that weak in high position during such a perilous time. It's almost something of a Wizard of Oz moment when we look behind the curtain and see just wow how frail and weak the regime really are as embodied in Biden. There is no way the American people can be governed by Biden after seeing this, the illusion that the democrats have been weaving about both Trump and Biden is totally shattered.
 

ZNP

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Well after that debate it's pretty obvious that Trump has to win. It's not even a matter of personalities now, it's obvious after that debate he is the only strong leader. I would say he won based on two facets. The first facet is he fulfilled the expectation from before the debate to come in fiery and hold the democrats accountable for the misery they caused the American people for the past 4 years since they can arrogantly dismiss and gaslight the American people about it, but they can't so easily do the same to Trump. So on this point Trump looks like the people's champion striding into the wolf's den to fight the country's eldritch villains. The second point would be maybe it's more a matter of Biden just lost the debate even moreso than Trump won, while everyone knows and expected him to be a lil quirky and his age, I mean just wow, like he looked utterly frail, he could barely even form a sentence,. The degree to which Biden has declined mentally and physically is actually quite shocking past the typical jokes and memes. I woke up and immediately reflecting on it it's somewhat of a scary thought that we have someone that weak in high position during such a perilous time. It's almost something of a Wizard of Oz moment when we look behind the curtain and see just wow how frail and weak the regime really are as embodied in Biden. There is no way the American people can be governed by Biden after seeing this, the illusion that the democrats have been weaving about both Trump and Biden is totally shattered.
Yes, the scariest thing was if you watched the debate with the sound off. It was as though it was glitching because Biden would seem to freeze as though the video stopped streaming. This happened continuously.
 

HeIsHere

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I sort of thought something on that order because you keep bringing it up but if your curious at all the hard-drive was tampered with after Mac Issac was in possession of it and multiple files were added to it.
And who told you this?
 

SonJudgment

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Yes, the scariest thing was if you watched the debate with the sound off. It was as though it was glitching because Biden would seem to freeze as though the video stopped streaming. This happened continuously.
I watched it with a group of friends and peers in their 30s. Motley group political leaningwise. I'm actually kinda surprised at the recent screenshot of the CNN poll showing even 33% trying to stay with the lies and delude us to say Biden won that debate. All my left leaning friends that watched it with me they're done with Biden, even they had the illusion just shattered. They won't vote Trump, but are now gonna look at RFK Jr. seemed more the common refrain from them, but yea they're not gonna keep trying to gaslight us about Biden. They just can't anymore. They can't even try to be subtle and deceive us by casting the debate as the muh both sides bad argument. Trump didn't just win, but he smashed them by both fulfilling his base and the center's expectations by being both so strong and with how horrifically Biden fell to pieces in front of all eyes has shattered all the illusion they have tried to weave up to this point. Unless there is the most complete curveball thrown into works before election day, yea, Trump is winning this.
 

notmyown

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so, i held my nose and watched Morning Joe for a few minutes this morning. also CNN, and a couple of more (so-called) conservative stations. i like to hear ALL the propaganda. :D

on MSNBC (and everywhere) they're aware it went poorly for Jurassic Joe. so now their spin is basically, do you want to vote for a good man, or a bad one. yep, someone actually said that. o_Oo_Oo_O
 

SonJudgment

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so, i held my nose and watched Morning Joe for a few minutes this morning. also CNN, and a couple of more (so-called) conservative stations. i like to hear ALL the propaganda. :D

on MSNBC (and everywhere) they're aware it went poorly for Jurassic Joe. so now their spin is basically, do you want to vote for a good man, or a bad one. yep, someone actually said that. o_Oo_Oo_O
It shows they fundamentally do not understand the American people. For all we know both candidates are good, or we could even say both are bad, but it's not about that anymore for the American people. It's about who is strong because regardless of what either one of them says and even regardless whether they lie or tell the truth that for the American people we are in very real jeopardy on a very existential level. Whatever they want to think about Trump and Biden's moral character the truth is Trump is still strong and proved that whereas Biden is quite, weak, even weaker than the very low bar of expectation given unto him.
 

ResidentAlien

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Why would blacks and latinos support someone who openly insults them this way?

First of all: his mug shot is more popular than Elvis' or Frank Sinatra's? This guy is seriously delusional. And then saying his black and latino support has grown since he became a convicted felon. What a jerk. I can't imagine why any black or latino would support him after saying something like this.

 

ThereRoseaLamb

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The most precious part of the debate, (to me) was when Trump was explaining how far he could hit the ball but Joe couldn't hit it 50 yards,,Biden argued he was 6 under par then in the confusion changed it to 8 ,,, Trump looked at him like shut up man your confessing we play golf together and Joe said we shouldn't act like kids and then they resumed the debate....

Trump said "let's not act like children"...
 

notmyown

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Why would blacks and latinos support someone who openly insults them this way?

First of all: his mug shot is more popular than Elvis' or Frank Sinatra's? This guy is seriously delusional. And then saying his black and latino support has grown since he became a convicted felon. What a jerk. I can't imagine why any black or latino would support him after saying something like this.
(i took the media out for brevity)

fact is, you can find plenty of Senator Joe saying insulting things about "minorities", which is why it's silly to bring it down to who's good and who's bad.