Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

Are you referring to John saying he is not the Christ?

I was citing that passage to show what John said concerning not being the bride of Christ....
Can we get on the same page, please?

I have a better question for you: Where was Adam before he sinned and after he sinned?

On the other hand, Moses and all the other "OT believers" were of the Woman's godly seed. So...there is that.

P.S. And how could the woman have been anywhere or in anyone BEFORE she was created? Wasn't the woman created from Adam's rib? Get confused often between your befores and afters?

P.P.S. For the record, I'm not astounded at all that you didn't see this and still don't.

That was a way to evade what I was getting at......

Why should I answer you, when you refused (avoided) to answer me?

You can not answer me correctly without admitting your own error.

But man isn't a robot. Man really does have the knowledge of good and evil, for he drinks up the latter like water, and he hates the good because his deeds are evil. Don't you know: Robots don't have emotions or hearts!?

Prov 1:7
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools DESPISE wisdom and discipline.
NIV

You're going to have to come up with a much better analogy for sinners, other than your inane "robot" idea. How 'bout a couple of other biblical ones in addition to fools, such "slaves" or "prisoners"? We could start a dialogue with these.

Just because you can't wrap your worldly, fleshly mind around Prov 16:9 and several other very similar passages I posted a few days ago, you don't have to feel like this is your free get-out-jail pass to freely wax stupid (Eccl 10:3) and shamelessly make a spectacle of yourself.

P.S. I'll be happy to help you understand such passages if you want. But if you don't, I can fully understand, thanks to scripture.

How could I answer such incoherent mumbo jumbo?

Her soul was created in Genesis 1:26-27.


Her body for that soul was produced from the substance of Adam's rib.
Body not created like her soul was created "out from nothing" in Genesis 1:27.

This nonsense could only emanate from the mind of a Dispensationalist. Am I wrong?

What I said is not incoherent. Just not understandable to you.



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I have no idea what spaceship you get beamed up to for your bible lessons....

How did you make that leap? It has nothing to do with dispensationalism.

The cross is not the power of god to Calvinists. To Calvinists, Irresistible Grace is the power of God. Under Calvinism, it is not the message of the cross has has power to win the hearts of sinners. To Calvinists the message of the cross, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God as propitiation r the the sins of the world, is foolishness..

Gen 1 is the flyover overview of all Creation. Verses 26 and 27 simply tell us that A&E were both created on the same day.

Gen 2 begins a recapitulation of the "crown" to his creation: Man. More detail is added about Man and the Garden. Adam was not created ex nihilo! He was created from the earth. And this chapter teaches explicitly that God had "breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life whereby he became a living soul (or being) by virtue of possessing God's Spirit. Therefore, we should not assume that God did the same with Eve. To insist that he did would be an argument from silence.

Also, the command given to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was given only to Adam. Eve wasn't even created until after Adam named and classified all the animals in the animal kingdom. Eve's knowledge of the command came from Adam.

So, what from what theological school does you eschatology hail, pray tell?

[QUOTE="PaulThomson, post: 5330171, member: 327121"]The cross is not the power of god to Calvinists. To Calvinists, Irresistible Grace is the power of God. Under Calvinism, it is not the message of the cross has has power to win the hearts of sinners. To Calvinists the message of the cross, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God as propitiation r the the sins of the world, is foolishness..[/QUOTE]

You should quit speaking of what you don't know and what you understand. The Cross of Christ and his Resurrection is central to the Gospel; for God's grace never came at the expense of divine justice! Jesus bore his Father's wrath and justice for the sake of his Father's glory and His elect chosen before the foundation of the world.

Now, you're cookin' with gas. And how God makes Natural Man able to seek Him is by raising him from the dead! But the rest of your post.... ??

Well you know...even blind squirrels find the occasional chestnut. Shakepeare did with famous quote that I have often posted here. And Mr. Occam did. His philosophical principle accords well with:

Eccl 10:13-14a
13 At the beginning his words are folly;
at the end they are wicked madness —
14 and the fool multiplies words...
NIV

And not only this but if there's anyone in this universe who knows how to say so much in so few words, it's the Spirit of the Living God who inspired scripture. God invented Brevity.

So...yeah...I'm shamelessly a fan of Occam's Razor.

I keep tellin' you guys that a half truth ain't the truth.

Dang! You even know better than what the Hebrew says!

When you are willing to humble yourself and stop listening to the "spirit" you claim is the Holy Spirit,

You may actually begin to learn what riches are contained in the original languages of Scripture ...

Until then? Looks like you are going to be a very determined loose cannon.

Sorry Rufus.... I am putting you on Ignore.

You should quit speaking of what you don't know and what you understand. The Cross of Christ and his Resurrection is central to the Gospel; for God's grace never came at the expense of divine justice! Jesus bore his Father's wrath and justice for the sake of his Father's glory and His elect chosen before the foundation of the world.[/QUOTE]

As I said, the message of the cross as propitiation for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2), where Christ tasted death for every man (Heb. 2:9) is foolishness to you. Your case is not hopeless. Jesus bought false prophets with his own blood. Many ex-calvinists left calvinism and continue to walk with Christ in deed and in truth. You can be a Christian without the folly of calvinism. I fell into calvinism for one month once, until I realised its many errors.

That's why tey substitute irresistible grace toward a select few for the cross's power to draw all men to Christ through the foolish love displayed uoon it