Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

What do you suppose happens to sinners who fall into the hands of an angry God? If He spared not His own Son when sin was laid upon Him, why do you suppose others will escape? Should a holy God allow sin to go unpunished forever?

If God wasn't sovereignly working through all the evil in the world, none us would be saved.

Maybe a better analogy would be a radio receiver. One can quench the transmitter by turning down the volume so one is not distracted by the radio from othet things one is interested in hearing. We have the ability to focus on what is salient to us and to tune out what is not presently salient. An autistic person has trouble with doing this. So, we can tune down the Holy Spirit's voice to focus on our own interests if we choose, and in this way quench the Spirit. But we can turn the volume back up at any time.we wish to.

I am never done defending the truth of the Gospel.

Php 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.

If we take what God told Adam, literally word for word, "dying ye shall die," and indeed, I think it was Paul that said that he died every day. However, in speaking of Christ, scripture says, "a smoldering wick He will not quench" and so it offers pause to consider the idea whether a smoldering wick, still has the potential in it to be reignited. That is, is a smoldering wick still 'live'? Smoky the Bear used to warn campers about leaving smoldering fires unattended, after all.

atheism is a claim which has absolutely no proof and therefore it does not exist except in the mind of fools as Scripture attests to.

You say that God does not send anyone to Hell but Scripture once again refutes you in confirming that God Himself justly casts them into Hell.

Luk 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

God indeed loves those who love Him and they only do so because He first loved them (Pro 8:17, 1 Jn 4:19) but nowhere in Scripture does it say that God loves every single person without exception which would have to include those He casts into Hell and eternally torments but I suppose you must therefore not believe Christ's words when He described the torments of Hell either for what type of love is it that eternally torments someone? Unless somehow you think that God loves everyone and then stops loving those He condemns which would make you believe that God changes which contradicts Scripture which says otherwise.

Mal 3:6a "For I am the LORD, I do not change;

Unless God humbles you to see yourself in the light of who He is as revealed in Scripture and that you justly deserve His wrath, you will have no assurance that He has granted you saving faith to trust on the person and work of Christ which alone justifies a person and will be like the many who look to themselves and what they do to be saved and if you die in your sin, you will hear His frightening words, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' .

I sincerely pray He gives you absolutely no peace until you are humbled to see your desperate need of His free, sovereign, particular grace.

*I timed out trying to add...

At any rate, I think a closer look at the distinction from "is dead", "was dead", and "will be dead" is warranted, with similar real-world examples of grammatical usages in mind. For one, "The turkey you hear in the field is Thanksgiving dinner."

it is said that the eyes are the window of the soul and if my eye offends you, then that is your problem. It is also a reminder of the wonder of God's creation and that He who formed the eye, shall He not see? (Psa 94:9b) which points to God's sovereignty over all.

On the topic of avatars, you would do well to research the origin of the star that you have in yours and also ask yourself which covenant are you in?

this should burden our hearts and compel us to lovingly warn them and pray that the Lord according to His will would have mercy upon them by the power of the Holy Spirit through the ministry of His Word and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will (2 Ti 2:26).

Atheism exists, Mormonism exists, Islam exists, of course there is no proof, but their belief system exists. smh



Of course he has the power to!! But He doesn't!! The Bible DOES NOT say God created a people for the sole purpose of going to hell !! We have a choice and we choose life or death. THAT is what the Bible says!



But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Who gave himself a ransom for ALL

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that ALL should reach repentance.

Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.

This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of ALL people

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

“Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Sigh, you just talk don't you? You don't read a thing. No one said sinners weren't in need of saving grace. smh

OK.. what has that got to do with those in the forum?

f God wasn't sovereignly working despite all the evil in the world, none us would be saved.[/QUOTE]

Can you explain how rapes murders and theft help God save us?

All, I can say is I am not sure how to understand this.

It is not possible, they were chosen before the foundation of the world, remember.
Heaven has a limited capacity, God cannot be undermined, He is a very angry God.

Yes, sounds contradictory, but consider this:

• In a concept of sets and subsets:
  • We have a large group and in this group:
    • There are many that don't make it to the end
    • There are some that did make it to the end
      • So, is there eternal security?
        • Yes, only for those who made it to the end.
          • So, just because some don't make it does not mean there is no eternal security.

This is part of why at this time I lean on the vital importance of the Father granting men to the Son and Jesus saying those of His disciples who walked away from Him were never granted and even though following Him did not believe (all in John6).

However, in regard to resolving all this simply with the concept of actually never believing but following for awhile, at minimum, Paul's letter to the Galatians concerns me because of the intense language Paul uses. To say they received the Spirit (did they all?) and may then be deserting and thus fall from grace where Christ is no benefit to them does not sound at first blush like they never believed. And Paul's language re: false gospels that may deceive and pull [believers?] away is intense - castration & anathema. More and more studies are dealing with how brilliantly rhetorical Paul's writings are.

The ones that may desert in Galatians, can still be the ones the Father never granted, so maybe they didn't receive the Spirit and Paul is in effect asking them rhetorically if they really did. Questions get people to think.

Bottom line is I don't throw out commands and warnings. At this point, for me, there are either a few things going on and we're trying to oversimplify it, or the Father's granting, where I'm currently standing, is the general principle and maybe the simplification of it all, but it's not one I ever heard taught as I recall.

We're too busy arguing how an unbeliever believes. Our Father knows just as He knows what true belief is and who truly believes and will truly be raised by His Son at the end.

Probably not as clear as I'd like. If not, then some more questions may help.

Keep in mind. The true people of Israel (not the church) were also chosen before the foundation of the world, for God's eternal purpose that the Jews in their own resurrection will have in God's eternal kingdom.

We, in contrast to the chosen Jews, were chosen IN HIM. That's the difference.
What does it mean? "Chosen in Him?"

It means.... God chose a Bride for His Son.

How? IN HIM!

For where was the woman before Adam was placed into the deep sleep?
The woman's body was IN ADAM.

Its deep... Requires one puts down his sword for his defense.
And, thinks.

Quietly .....

Wisdom of the wise is gained from just about anywhere. Making me smile.

It's just a repetitive empty charge - a straw man - made against those who reject the calvinistic system.

That's a big ask around here.