Total Depravity

right ... the way I see this perfect verb / waw imperfect sequence as it relates to Gen 4:1-5 is as follows:

Genesis 4:

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said

1-2 I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep,

2-3 but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect.And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
and if as you state, Abel brought his offering prior to Cain having brought his offering, then I believe what you are saying is that you read Gen 4:4 right after "and Abel was a keeper of sheep" (Gen 4:2) ...

then you read "but Cain was a tiller of the ground" ... followed by the text relating to Cain's offering (Gen 4:4).
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Hi friend, try this, to see if faith is a gift from God..1Corins 12:31 ...Now eagerly desire the greater gifts..1Corins 13:13..faith,hope and Love. But the greatest of these is Love.

Here is what you said (bold mine) which led me to believe you were saying Abel offered first ... then Cain offered later:





I thought you were saying that Abel brought his offering which was accepted by God ... then some time passed after which Cain brought his offering which was not accepted by God.

In agreement God accepted Abel's offering because "by faith, Abel" ...

In agreement God did not accept Cain's offering "because it was not out of faith, but out of some other motive" ...

They were of little faith, and they only need faith as a mustard seed (little faith) and Jesus asked them elsewhere "Where is your faith?", implying that they had faith.

this can easily mean, they should be satisfied with the faith they were given.

I am saying what you thought I was saying. Abel offered his offering first. The Hebrew grammar says that. The order in which clauses appear in a text do not determine the chronological order of events in real time.

sad that some believe God is unfair ...

Hi friend, try this, to see if faith is a gift from God..1Corins 12:31 ...Now eagerly desire the greater gifts..1Corins 13:13..faith,hope and Love. But the greatest of these is Love.

I explicitly stated the otherwise.

It is "through faith" those are God's words not mine.

Scripture teaches that everything we have has been given of God.


1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16

yes its true faith. i used to be in the libertarian free will camp, then GOD happened.

through faith, amen. why do some believe and other people not? am i more spiritually inclined or smarter than my neighbors? more humble?

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed

the ones who are appointed to eternal life are granted spiritual life from God. its a miracle, think about it. you have people who are dead in trespasses and sins, completely dead in Adam, resurrected spiritually to be in Christ.

its not as if you have people walking around believing in Christ wanting to be saved and God just wont do it. the natural man doesnt want to be saved, he doesnt like the true gospel. when God gives them a new heart, they will believe and obey the gospel.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

these are things God does. whenever we do something, we give glory of it to God:


Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Okay.

Yes your thinking has changed.
People are so blind and depraved Jesus had to speak in parables just in case, best to prevent anyone from turning towards truth.

James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows

one more poster incoming dear sister

Okay.

Yes your thinking has changed.
People are so blind and depraved Jesus had to speak in parables just in case, best to prevent anyone from turning towards truth.

We all have enough God-given faith at birth to do whatever we need to do.

Okay.

Yes your thinking has changed.
People are so blind and depraved Jesus had to speak in parables just in case, best to prevent anyone from turning towards truth.

Hello Melach! Always lovely to see you .

Thank you for the additional verse... according to some here, God is unfair if He does not give the same (level of) revelation to everyone. Obviously, all they need to do is read their Bible to see that God does not give the same (level of) revelation to everyone.

i would point out the apostle st.Paul. does everyone get hit with a shocker of a revelation like that? God draws each person differently it seems, some get a complete sudden stop like st.Paul, some get a strong conviction of their sins out of the blue, some in a prison cell, yet others are convinced through scientific proofs and so on. God ordains the end and the means! praise God

Yes, and let's not forget that burning bush! It is not the God of Calvinism
that people like HIH believe is unjust, but the God of the Bible.