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PaulThomson said:
I was trying to understand the purpose of life. Why am I here? How should I live?
Jesus told me that He could show me the answer to those questions.
He persuaded me that He is the living Saviour and King who can lead me, and can teach me through the Bible/scriptures. So I started trusting Him to do that. God reckoned my faith as righteousness and gave me a new spirit in which the Holy Spirit came to abide with me and They will guide me into ALL truth... eventually.
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Here are a couple of scriptures that helped me answer the question of “why am I here?” And “the purpose of life.”

Isaiah 43:7 - “I have been created to glorify God.”
Luke 22:27 - I am here to SERVE, not be served.”
I realize there is so much more than that, but these have been a help to me.
 
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Rufus said:
But Rom 10:11 doesn't teach how people come to believe in him. And the "how" always involves the Word and the Spirit.
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The grace we receive to be saved was the power of the Holy Spirit.
God's Spirit that prevented the flesh from dominating over the soul at Gospel hearing..
There's your 'Word and Spirit' explained.
 
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Do you realise how much data you are stealing off forum readers whose only choice to avoid having to download your images on every thread is to put you on ignore. Maybe you could just type the biblical text into your post and add a link to your panel for those who can afford to look at them.

https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/How-many-bytes-for
 
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Cameron143 said:
Wasn't justification accomplished at the cross? If your only objection is justification, you have no problem. All the sins ever paid for happened 2000 years ago.
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Scripture says we were justified by faith.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

So yeah I have a huge issue with anyone who claims we are made alive while not yet justified, or declared righteous. as Abraham was though his faith.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Scripture says we were justified by faith.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

So yeah I have a huge issue with anyone who claims we are made alive while not yet justified, or declared righteous. as Abraham was though his faith.
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Right, he was declared righteous at the exercise of his faith. He was made righteous when his sins were paid for.

Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Because what God purposes always comes to pass, God can not only declare someone righteous, He can make them righteous at any time.

Were OT saints indwelt by the Holy Spirit? If not, they didn't belong to Christ. I wonder how Abraham saw Jesus day and rejoiced in seeing it. What do you think that was all about?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Right, he was declared righteous at the exercise of his faith. He was made righteous when his sins were paid for.

Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Because what God purposes always comes to pass, God can not only declare someone righteous, He can make them righteous at any time.

Were OT saints indwelt by the Holy Spirit? If not, they didn't belong to Christ. I wonder how Abraham saw Jesus day and rejoiced in seeing it. What do you think that was all about?
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What does this have to do with the heresy of people saying God makes people alive you have not been justified from their sin yet?

Even Jesus said we must be born again. And this is accomplished by a person trusting Christ enough to look at the cross. as the people Of Israel looked to the serpent.

I will be honest. I do not know what point you are trying to make
 
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Cameron143 said:
Were OT saints indwelt by the Holy Spirit? If not, they didn't belong to Christ. I wonder how Abraham saw Jesus day and rejoiced in seeing it. What do you think that was all about?
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From what I understand, no one was ever born of the Spirit of God until after the resurrection of Jesus. Holy Spirit visited, never lived in anyone until after the Lamb took away all sin of the world first, in his Father's sight for us the people here today, and those to come as well as those that came here after his done work for us the people.
The ones prior to Jesus and those here on earth during Jesus's time here on earth, never were ever indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. Only visited upon, not indwell as are today indwell by God's approval after the resurrection of Son first my Lord unto his Lord, I stand in trust and thankfulness, I need God not me at all
 
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Cameron143 said:
Right, he was declared righteous at the exercise of his faith. He was made righteous when his sins were paid for.
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He paid for our sin(s) the people not for himself, he never sinned. Jesus is my righteousness unto God who declares who is righteous and who is not, as he did with Abraham, who stood in belief to God all the way to not even hold onto his own Son given him to begin with by God
Jesus went unto willing death for Father to lead. Can we do that too? Probably not, and if can, then watch out for pride to get set in the self, Phil 3
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
What does this have to do with the heresy of people saying God makes people alive you have not been justified from their sin yet?

Even Jesus said we must be born again. And this is accomplished by a person trusting Christ enough to look at the cross. as the people Of Israel looked to the serpent.

I will be honest. I do not know what point you are trying to make
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You don't understand the difference between being declared something and actually being made that thing.

When someone gets saved they have become a member of the body of Christ. When they get baptized, they are declared a member of the body. One confirms the reality of the other. You must be a thing in order to be declared a thing.

David was always going to be king. That was predetermined by God. And he became the king before his coronation. At his coronation, he was declared to be king.
 
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homwardbound said:
From what I understand, no one was ever born of the Spirit of God until after the resurrection of Jesus. Holy Spirit visited, never lived in anyone until after the Lamb took away all sin of the world first, in his Father's sight for us the people here today, and those to come as well as those that came here after his done work for us the people.
The ones prior to Jesus and those here on earth during Jesus's time here on earth, never were ever indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. Only visited upon, not indwell as are today indwell by God's approval after the resurrection of Son first my Lord unto his Lord, I stand in trust and thankfulness, I need God not me at all
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They can't belong to Christ without the indwelling of the Spirit...Romans 8. Simply because God didn't reveal this until the NT doesn't negate its truth.
I will grant that the indwelling was different compared to the Spirit being poured out since Pentecost, but we see evidence of the Spirit in the world as early as Genesis 1:2. And you might be surprised how often He is mentioned in the OT.
 
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1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Nope.

God is a perfect judge, His love can not overrule his justice.

His justice demand a penalty for sin, that penalty is death.

He can not make you alive while you are still under the penalty of sin.. it must be justified..
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But Justice has already been served on behalf of all God's elect at the Cross of Christ, so God is free to have mercy and compassion on whom He wills (Rom 9:15).
 
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Rufus said:
But Justice has already been served on behalf of all God's elect at the Cross of Christ, so God is free to have mercy and compassion on whom He wills (Rom 9:15).
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Actually, this has always been true. Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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Magenta said:
Because you believe it is perfectly sane to think you raised yourself from death. Yeah, we get it...


Ephesians 5:14
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C'mon...it happens all the time. Any self-respecting mortician will tell you that. Dead people will themselves back to life all the time. After they raise themselves up, they get shipped off to a top secret federal detention facility called Zombieland. :coffee:
 
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Cameron143 said:
Actually, this has always been true. Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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Yes...good point. He was "slain since the foundation of the world" in the sense of God's decree, which of course can never be thwarted. However, the decree and resulting prophecies needed to be fulfilled in time and space, which literally occurred at the Cross.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You don't understand the difference between being declared something and actually being made that thing.

When someone gets saved they have become a member of the body of Christ. When they get baptized, they are declared a member of the body. One confirms the reality of the other. You must be a thing in order to be declared a thing.

David was always going to be king. That was predetermined by God. And he became the king before his coronation. At his coronation, he was declared to be king.
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Well then, who makes that decision, God or man? I need to fathom this, don't we all?
God is still the only one good is God not? Man is mostly out for the self, from what I have seen that is truth over it all, that includes me. Who puts who in charge does God or man?
When God has no respect of persons, I do not see God putting anyone else in charge but Son, whom God raised from the dead, left for us the people to believe and stand in belief to this truth for us to be freed from under Law Laws of man. Do you see this too?
Gal. 3:19-26
 
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Cameron143 said:
You don't understand the difference between being declared something and actually being made that thing.
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Well thanks for your opinion. But I understand quite well.

Abraham was declared righteous when he had faith when he was imputed Gods righteousness, in which he was made righteous.

When someone gets saved they have become a member of the body of Christ. When they get baptized, they are declared a member of the body. One confirms the reality of the other. You must be a thing in order to be declared a thing.
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I was saved through my baptism of the Holy SPirit. I was justified by faith, and when the HS baptized me into christ, his blood cleansed me of all sin

Now reading your comments here. I do believe you may be comfused some
David was always going to be king. That was predetermined by God. And he became the king before his coronation. At his coronation, he was declared to be king.
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Your still dead in your sin until you are justified.

You can try to blow this fact off all you want. it will never make you right.
 
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