Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

how does one overcome without Christ?

And He has already overcome.

therefore our salvation is secure -- because the One Who Saves does not fail.

hi Rondonmon

are you still saved?

what about now?

or now?

hope you never get Alzheimers!

good luck!

5 of them never had any oil
they were never saved.

are you still saved now?

if you get knocked in the head and lose your memory, so you forget the gospel, does that mean you go to hell?

and what about now?
still saved?

crazy how at any second you could be damned

if you included some verses about being scattered why did you not include the dozens of verses in the OT about the actual twelve tribes being scattered?

particularly since James explicitly says "twelve tribes"...

Because in my post, I included verses that demonstrate they were of the saved - that they had been given faith. Only those whom God saves are given true faith. By having it, they had been made part of spiritual Israel. Earthly affiliations due to linage (or any other factors) were no longer germane.

[Jas 1:3, 18 KJV]
3 Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience. ...
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

I have ben a preacher 40 years my dear sister, these things are easy compared to the prophesy I am called unto. Read 1 Cor. 15, it says that those who are raptured DIE, but can you dig that out? Its there. With translated words from other languages, one must go deep sometimes to grasp what is being said, especially when there are SEEMING CONTRADICTIONS.

Dan. 7:11 says the beast is KILLED his body DESTROYED and he is cast into hell.

Rev. 19:20 says the Beast and False Prophet are CAST ALIVE into hell, did God lie? No, its just that people never take them time to dig out the facts. They say DAY in Genesis and really believe the Universe was created in days when Day in Hebrew comes from the word YPWM means TIME PERIOD in general, or to be hot. In every instance YOWM is used one must get the detailed description to understand what the time period is.

You can be of Christ and then reject him, whether you can grasp this or not sister is not going to change the facts. HINT, IMHO, anyone they agree that Abortion is OK will not make heaven unless they repent. If a person advocates for Homosexual rights, you will not make heaven. Again, Jess specifically stated many will do things in his name, but in the end he will tell them to depart from him for he never knew them. Too many people love this evil world and its way and thin k by saying Jesus is Lord they will gain heaven, well Satan knows Jesus is Lord also.

thing is, they're ethnic Jews and also Christians.
the gospel is "to the Jew first, and also the Gentile"

i mean yeah it's not written to unbelievers
no argument there!

but i think mentioning the 12 scattered tribes is a pretty strong indication the audience is Jewish Christians living outside of Israel.

You clearly do not understand scriptures, do not think you will make heaven by just name it and claim it, you have to be regenerated in Christ Jesus my friend.

FYI, Posthuman is a brother in Christ. And had displayed more self-control than I have.

No, you are putting words in my mouth, that's a NO NO, I am merely saying people can freely turn against God after having known God. Its just a fact. Its one thing to stray, and just get lost, its entirely a different thing when you turn against God. Any "Christian" who advocates for any type evil will not make it to heaven. Stand on the corner and advocate for the pro homosexual movement or for the abortion movement and never repent, you will not make it to heaven. God knows our hearts, WORDS mean nothing, our heart means everything, David murdered a man, but God knew his heart and knew he would repent. If he had said my murder is no murder, I am king, David would be in hell.

why stop there?
what about if a person believes animals have no souls? damned?
or what about someone who thinks wine in the Bible has no alcohol content? condemned?
how about people who celebrate christmas or easter or mother's day? forsaken by God?

if being in some sort of error voids salvation, maybe we are too casual by refusing to excommunicate for every tiny mistake.


also to me it doesn't make sense Jesus would say He "never" knew them if the truth is that He did in fact know them, then stopped knowing them later. one would expect the text to say "depart from Me, I used to know you"

His ways are higher than mine, tho. for sure i won't argue with Him.

how about people who believe they can lose their salvation?
are they unsaved because they believe this?

and how about people who believe they can't lose their salvation? is that evidence they already have?

Well, he clearly does not understand that you can lose your salvation, which tech. you never had, we are only saved once we walk the full flight, you can serve God 80 years and turn to Satan. You are the ones who are not understanding plain scripture. Jesus said that many he will cast off, Jesus said only 5 of the 10 Virgins MAKE IT to the Wedding, and he calls them Virgins, meaning the repented. The 144,000 is a CODE for 5 million Jews who repent, or the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9, they are not all Virgin Males !!

12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents.

1 Billion people, thinking they are Christians are sadly not going o be raptured, now they may repent during the 70th week, so I can not say they are hell bound per se.

You can take it any way you need to, I do not sugar coat God's word. Of course those of God can turn away from God, and half the church is now against God, that is why its called a Falling Away. Whilst a lot of people was partying at 22-23 I was praying all night long, God reveals His word to those who continually seek His face. This is why we have so many different understanding of Prophesy, people just hear something and run with it. They have the AC being a Jew or a Muslim, b9th are just wrong, he will be a Gentile King, just like the other 6 was and he will not rule the WHOLE WORLD, heck 1/3 (the New World) will be burning he will rule over the Mediterranean Sea Region. Just like Alexander the Great never ruled the WHOLE WORLD, even though Dan. 2 says he did, because the Prophesy is only about the Mediterranean Sea Regions land base. The 7 Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome PLUS the Anti-Christ/Beast) and 10 (E.U.) Horns represent one area in the world. China and Russ9a with Nukes are not going to be ruled by the A.C.

You will find out sir one day. Better remain in Christ, anyone whole Loves THIS EVIL WORLD, has not the love of God in him, Jesus said that.

in your 40 years have you ever heard of Arthur Pink?
he lays this out pretty clearly.

Oil in the Vessel

i understand that i clearly have "a sure hope, and anchor for the soul" in the work Jesus Christ did on my behalf.

there is no fear in love, elder.

good luck with yours!

is He a Good, or an idol Shepherd?
the sheep that keeps himself despises all shepherds, needing none.

Oh,oh,oh...ask me, ask me!!!! I know this one.