Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

anyone whole Loves THIS EVIL WORLD, has not the love of God in him, Jesus said that

how about people who believe they can lose their salvation?
are they unsaved because they believe this?

and how about people who believe they can't lose their salvation? is that evidence they already have?

idol Shepherd

Scripture plainly states that those God gives to Jesus will come to Him and those who come He will never cast out... He will lose none! Perhaps some think they are more powerful than Jesus?

You have that promise of Salvation, but you have to ENDURE until the end. What part of that do you not get, the point is anyone can turn away from God. That is why Jesus said only 5 of the 10 virgin brides will make the Marriage in Heaven. That ratio also matches the Matt. 24:36-51 ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT. Only half the church will make the Rapture my sister. God sees the heart.

People better grasp this. Sell out for Jesus, if you cling to this world Jesus says you are not of God.

thing is, they're ethnic Jews and also Christians.
the gospel is "to the Jew first, and also the Gentile"

i mean yeah it's not written to unbelievers
no argument there!

but i think mentioning the 12 scattered tribes is a pretty strong indication the audience is Jewish Christians living outside of Israel.

Well, he clearly does not understand that you can lose your salvation, which tech. you never had, we are only saved once we walk the full flight, you can serve God 80 years and turn to Satan. You are the ones who are not understanding plain scripture. Jesus said that many he will cast off, Jesus said only 5 of the 10 Virgins MAKE IT to the Wedding, and he calls them Virgins, meaning the repented. The 144,000 is a CODE for 5 million Jews who repent, or the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9, they are not all Virgin Males !!

12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents.

1 Billion people, thinking they are Christians are sadly not going o be raptured, now they may repent during the 70th week, so I can not say they are hell bound per se.

You can take it any way you need to, I do not sugar coat God's word. Of course those of God can turn away from God, and half the church is now against God, that is why its called a Falling Away. Whilst a lot of people was partying at 22-23 I was praying all night long, God reveals His word to those who continually seek His face. This is why we have so many different understanding of Prophesy, people just hear something and run with it. They have the AC being a Jew or a Muslim, b9th are just wrong, he will be a Gentile King, just like the other 6 was and he will not rule the WHOLE WORLD, heck 1/3 (the New World) will be burning he will rule over the Mediterranean Sea Region. Just like Alexander the Great never ruled the WHOLE WORLD, even though Dan. 2 says he did, because the Prophesy is only about the Mediterranean Sea Regions land base. The 7 Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome PLUS the Anti-Christ/Beast) and 10 (E.U.) Horns represent one area in the world. China and Russ9a with Nukes are not going to be ruled by the A.C.

Well, he clearly does not understand that you can lose your salvation, which tech. you never had, we are only saved once we walk the full flight, you can serve God 80 years and turn to Satan. You are the ones who are not understanding plain scripture. Jesus said that many he will cast off, Jesus said only 5 of the 10 Virgins MAKE IT to the Wedding, and he calls them Virgins, meaning the repented. The 144,000 is a CODE for 5 million Jews who repent, or the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9, they are not all Virgin Males !!

12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents.

1 Billion people, thinking they are Christians are sadly not going o be raptured, now they may repent during the 70th week, so I can not say they are hell bound per se.

You can take it any way you need to, I do not sugar coat God's word. Of course those of God can turn away from God, and half the church is now against God, that is why its called a Falling Away. Whilst a lot of people was partying at 22-23 I was praying all night long, God reveals His word to those who continually seek His face. This is why we have so many different understanding of Prophesy, people just hear something and run with it. They have the AC being a Jew or a Muslim, b9th are just wrong, he will be a Gentile King, just like the other 6 was and he will not rule the WHOLE WORLD, heck 1/3 (the New World) will be burning he will rule over the Mediterranean Sea Region. Just like Alexander the Great never ruled the WHOLE WORLD, even though Dan. 2 says he did, because the Prophesy is only about the Mediterranean Sea Regions land base. The 7 Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome PLUS the Anti-Christ/Beast) and 10 (E.U.) Horns represent one area in the world. China and Russ9a with Nukes are not going to be ruled by the A.C.

Somebody better go to their basement, jump into their time machine, go back to the time of Peter when he was writing the following, and tell him how wrong he was:

2 Peter 1:10-11
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Truly saved people, therefore, DON'T fall, and this lost their salvation.

That's why I've been asking who among you who was ever truly saved has ever lost their salvation? Armenianism teaches that one can lose, regain, lose, regain, lose...ad infinitum, their salvation throughout their miserable lives, and thus never knowing if they are saved this instant...apart from how they feel at the moment...

Do you FEEL saved right now?

Why is this at all being discussed? The absurdity of the idea of losing salvation under the power of grace...just makes no sense.

One who is truly transformed, a new creation, simply doesn't ramble off into unbelief. Those who claim to have been a true believer and later become atheists...I don't buy it, and that mere claim proves nothing!

MM

Can you show me a command from scripture that thou shalt persevere?

When jesus says it. It is a command

In matt 24, he says he who perseveres to the end, shall be saved.

But again, this is not talking about us earning ur eternal life. He is talking about those in the tribulation period who are struggling to survive..

I'm still trying to figure who here, of those who believe one can lost their salvation under the Gospel of Grace, who among them have ever lost theirs. The claim that it's possible, that means they have tested it?

God won't fail. He is omnipotent. No one can thwart anything He is determined must happen. We disagree on the number of things God has determined and will determine must happen.

from what i've gleaned in these conversations over the years, they never mean they themselves can lose their salvation.
they're only talking about other people.

There is no imperative there. It is simply a statement of fact. Jesus makes a declarative statement.

from what i've gleaned in these conversations over the years, they never mean they themselves can lose their salvation.
they're only talking about other people.

That is not relevant. In the book of James, he was addressing and teaching believers- Christians, as can be seen in the
subsequent verses. Therefore, the tribes he was addressing were of spiritual Israel, not tribes of the earthy nation of Israel.

Amen. It's like the person who reads the word of God in their personal devotion, and when they see a verse that convicts them, they immediately think of others instead of being corrected. Everyone else will lose their salvation but them. LOL.

That is called Self-Righteousness.

They don't lose it. They simply misplace it from time to time.