Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I really don't understand what your point in all this really is in relation to what I said. The instrument of Law was and is a good thing, but like you said, it could not and cannot save anyone. Yes. We all agree with that, so can we get past that? The Law, as a "schoolmaster" is a good thing in that regard, and in many others, such as us knowing what sin is by the Law, so please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as the proverbial saying goes. The good news (gospel) within the Law, and that characterizes the Law, is that it the means by which sin is identified and known.
If you're going nit-pic every statement and nuance, then we will get nowhere.
But you forget that the Law actually aroused and stirred up sinful passions due to the weakness of the flesh, which is why the Law could only condemn. Sin actually increased under the law! The Law can and never will save anyone. All the law could do is put people in bondage to it. All this is hardly good news!
Also, in this NC dispensation, one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is to convict people of sin. One does not need the written code of Mosaic Law to know they are sinners, since all men intuitively know God's law, for God wrote the works of the law upon all men's hearts.
I really don't understand what your point in all this really is in relation to what I said. The instrument of Law was and is a good thing, but like you said, it could not and cannot save anyone. Yes. We all agree with that, so can we get past that? The Law, as a "schoolmaster" is a good thing in that regard, and in many others, such as us knowing what sin is by the Law, so please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as the proverbial saying goes. The good news (gospel) within the Law, and that characterizes the Law, is that it the means by which sin is identified and known.
If you're going nit-pic every statement and nuance, then we will get nowhere.
But you forget that the Law actually aroused and stirred up sinful passions due to the weakness of the flesh, which is why the Law could only condemn. Sin actually increased under the law! The Law can and never will save anyone. All the law could do is put people in bondage to it. All this is hardly good news!
Also, in this NC dispensation, one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is to convict people of sin. One does not need the written code of Mosaic Law to know they are sinners, since all men intuitively know God's law, for God wrote the works of the law upon all men's hearts.
Read Dan 9 and Mat 24 someday. A great deal of Mat 24 was pertinent to Jesus' generation, i.e. "this generation"will certainly not pass away until ALL these things have happened (Mat 24:34). And...the phrase "this generation" is used multiple times in Matthew's gospel and in every single case it means the the people who were alive when Jesus spoke his words.
Scripture plainly states that those God gives to Jesus will come to Him and those who come He will never cast out... He will lose none! Perhaps some think they are more powerful than Jesus? 
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I did. I was a christian, but I drifted away, and spent years without him, but rrecently re-discovered him, and I can tell you that I am saved, because now, somethings diffrent. I used to live in fear of dying and having done it wrong, but now I know I am saved and I can tell that the devil knows, because he has stopped giving me that, and now try's to get me to do other things.
Context, friend.
Matt. 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 18:14 refers to little children born innocent who eventually are tempted to go astray from their youth, like a straying sheep.
Being Evil From Youth
Genesis 8:21
Verse Concepts
The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Youth
Verse 14 refers to the fact that God does not want children to go astray in their youth, and vv. 6-9 warn the one who tempts them to do so is doing what Satan did to Adam and deserves a severe punishment. Nevertheless, the Son came to seek and save those who in their youth have been led astray from innocence. It is not God's will that any child perish, even when they end up going astray in their youth.
From this passage we could infer that every innocent child has been given to Christ as His sheep, and when they eventually go astray, it is not His will that they perish, but that they be sought and saved.
Matt. 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 18:14 refers to little children born innocent who eventually are tempted to go astray from their youth, like a straying sheep.
Being Evil From Youth
Genesis 8:21
Verse Concepts
The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Youth
Verse 14 refers to the fact that God does not want children to go astray in their youth, and vv. 6-9 warn the one who tempts them to do so is doing what Satan did to Adam and deserves a severe punishment. Nevertheless, the Son came to seek and save those who in their youth have been led astray from innocence. It is not God's will that any child perish, even when they end up going astray in their youth.
From this passage we could infer that every innocent child has been given to Christ as His sheep, and when they eventually go astray, it is not His will that they perish, but that they be sought and saved.
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Adam and Eve did not lose salvation. They were perfect. After they fell they had to be saved. And Gid did not fail them
yes God gave us a choice.
those who chose to trust him are no longer condemned. Those who do not trust him are condemned already
if Gid saves you he saves you. You can never be lost again. Unless he fails
yes God gave us a choice.
those who chose to trust him are no longer condemned. Those who do not trust him are condemned already
if Gid saves you he saves you. You can never be lost again. Unless he fails
I do trust His promises.
1. Keep on looking to the cross and keep on believing in Him (present imperatives) and uyou will never die and you will have aeonous life.
2. God has given Jesus the universe, i.e. everyTHING (Greek "pan"). He will restore it all on the last day.
3. Keep on believing in Him, by seeing Him at the cross. And in faith keep on believing in Him, and you will never perish. You will live forever. He will raise every human who has ever lived on the last day.
4. He said whoever keeps onhearing and keeps on believing has aeonous life and shall not come into judgment.
5. He said no one is able to seize us by force (Greek: harpazO) out of His hands. That does not include usbeing seduced into wandering astray out of His hand in pursuit of things we start putting ahead of following and serving Him.
I believe all these biblical promises, praise God!
I trust God to keep Hs promises. I don't trust myself to walk in love without Him.
1. Keep on looking to the cross and keep on believing in Him (present imperatives) and uyou will never die and you will have aeonous life.
2. God has given Jesus the universe, i.e. everyTHING (Greek "pan"). He will restore it all on the last day.
3. Keep on believing in Him, by seeing Him at the cross. And in faith keep on believing in Him, and you will never perish. You will live forever. He will raise every human who has ever lived on the last day.
4. He said whoever keeps onhearing and keeps on believing has aeonous life and shall not come into judgment.
5. He said no one is able to seize us by force (Greek: harpazO) out of His hands. That does not include usbeing seduced into wandering astray out of His hand in pursuit of things we start putting ahead of following and serving Him.
I believe all these biblical promises, praise God!
I trust God to keep Hs promises. I don't trust myself to walk in love without Him.
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