This came to my attention recently -----is it Faith IN Jesus or Faith OF Jesus

studentoftheword · Sep 17, 2024

Faith In -- or Faith Of

This seems important to understand ------this changes the perspective on Faith ------

Most Translations say ---Faith In Jesus Christ

took this from Bible hub ---you can check it out for yourselves ---

https://biblehub.com/galatians/2-16.htm

Galatians 2:16

New International Version
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

New Living Translation
Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

English Standard Version
yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Only a few translations say Faith OF JESUS Christ ------

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because we know that a man is not justified by works of The Written Law, but by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah, we also believe in Yeshua The Messiah, that we should be made right by the faith of The Messiah, and not by the works of The Written Law, because no one is made right by the works of The Written Law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Young's Literal Translation
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

So which is it -----is it our faith in Christ -that we strive to obtain --or is it the Faith of Christ that we possess by His Grace and not of any works by us ----

Could some of the translators ---translated this wrongly from the Greek

---it will change the faith role ----if it is Faith OF Jesus ---------it is His Faith we have in us ---it is not our Faith that we work to get

I say ----

If we think that we are suppose to have faith in Jesus ----we are always striving ---working--- to have more Faith ----we say I don't have enough faith yet for this or that ----when it is not about our Faith in Jesus --it is about Jesus Faith that is already there for us to access -----

Mark 4 ---Jesus is asleep when the storm comes and He says -----

“Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

The Greek word for Have is echō (----to have, i.e. to hold

to have (hold) in the hand -----to have i.e. own, posses

They already possessed His Faith they just didn't know it ------they didn't have to work for the Faith ---they possessed already ----faith is a free Gift from God ----we can't work to get God's faith ----and so many are striving to get enough faith --

Interesting Read all --I just posted this section

https://itisfinished.blog/2021/08/1...t=Ephesians 4:5 tells us,the works of the Law.

The phrase is consistently rendered in English translations as “faith in Jesus Christ.” The Greek, however, says, “Pistis Iesou Christou,” which means the faith of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ’s faith.

Both of the nouns, faith and Jesus Christ, are genitive possessive. Remember, genitive possession denotes ownership, meaning Jesus owns the faith.

But translating it as “in” makes it sound like we need to put OUR faith IN Jesus, and we miss the importance of understanding that the faith belongs to Jesus — it is His!

Romans 3:22 is an important verse to correctly understand how God’s righteousness comes to us.
Is it by Jesus’ faith or putting our faith in Jesus that we are made righteous?

The NLT (New Living Translation) says, “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.” The ESV (English Standard Version) says, “The righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” And the CEV (Contemporary English Version) says, “He (God) accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.” That’s only three translations, but MOST translations say something similar. I found only a few that say faith OF Jesus Christ, the KJV, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible Translation, and Young’s Literal Translation.
Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Because the faith OF Jesus Christ says that it’s a free gift, a FINISHED work!

But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Here is an another article on this

https://rtkendallministries.com/the-faith-of-christ

Gideon300 · Sep 17, 2024

studentoftheword said:

Faith In -- or Faith Of

This seems important to understand ------this changes the perspective on Faith ------

Most Translations say ---Faith In Jesus Christ

took this from Bible hub ---you can check it out for yourselves ---

https://biblehub.com/galatians/2-16.htm

Galatians 2:16

New International Version

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

New Living Translation

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

English Standard Version

yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Only a few translations say Faith OF JESUS Christ ------

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because we know that a man is not justified by works of The Written Law, but by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah, we also believe in Yeshua The Messiah, that we should be made right by the faith of The Messiah, and not by the works of The Written Law, because no one is made right by the works of The Written Law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Young's Literal Translation
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

So which is it -----is it our faith in Christ -that we strive to obtain --or is it the Faith of Christ that we possess by His Grace and not of any works by us ----

Could some of the translators ---translated this wrongly from the Greek

---it will change the faith role ----if it is Faith OF Jesus ---------it is His Faith we have in us ---it is not our Faith that we work to get

I say ----

If we think that we are suppose to have faith in Jesus ----we are always striving ---working--- to have more Faith ----we say I don't have enough faith yet for this or that ----when it is not about our Faith in Jesus --it is about Jesus Faith that is already there for us to access -----

Mark 4 ---Jesus is asleep when the storm comes and He says -----

“Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

The Greek word for Have is echō (----to have, i.e. to hold

to have (hold) in the hand -----to have i.e. own, posses

They already possessed His Faith they just didn't know it ------they didn't have to work for the Faith ---they possessed already ----faith is a free Gift from God ----we can't work to get God's faith ----and so many are striving to get enough faith --

Interesting Read all --I just posted this section

https://itisfinished.blog/2021/08/10/hermeneutics-faith-in-jesus-or-faith-of-jesus/#:~:text=Ephesians 4:5 tells us,the works of the Law.

The phrase is consistently rendered in English translations as “faith in Jesus Christ.” The Greek, however, says, “Pistis Iesou Christou,” which means the faith of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ’s faith.

Both of the nouns, faith and Jesus Christ, are genitive possessive. Remember, genitive possession denotes ownership, meaning Jesus owns the faith.

But translating it as “in” makes it sound like we need to put OUR faith IN Jesus, and we miss the importance of understanding that the faith belongs to Jesus — it is His!

Romans 3:22 is an important verse to correctly understand how God’s righteousness comes to us.

Is it by Jesus’ faith or putting our faith in Jesus that we are made righteous?

The NLT (New Living Translation) says, “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.” The ESV (English Standard Version) says, “The righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” And the CEV (Contemporary English Version) says, “He (God) accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.” That’s only three translations, but MOST translations say something similar. I found only a few that say faith OF Jesus Christ, the KJV, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible Translation, and Young’s Literal Translation.

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Because the faith OF Jesus Christ says that it’s a free gift, a FINISHED work!

But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Here is an another article on this

https://rtkendallministries.com/the-faith-of-christ

This verse is one of the few that modern translation get 100% wrong. What amazes me is that the literal translation is "the faith of Christ" and the Berean literal translation states that. God has given us a measure of faith. That's OK, but I prefer to put my "measure" into trusting Jesus to be my faith.

God gives us just enough faith to believe Christ. Then we can exchange our limited faith for the faith of Christ. And that is the secret of the Christian life. It's to replace what and who we are in self with the Life of Christ. Jesus has no problem living the Christian life. For us, it is impossible.

Chester · Sep 17, 2024

studentoftheword said:

Faith In -- or Faith Of

This seems important to understand ------this changes the perspective on Faith ------

Most Translations say ---Faith In Jesus Christ

took this from Bible hub ---you can check it out for yourselves ---

https://biblehub.com/galatians/2-16.htm

Galatians 2:16

New International Version

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

New Living Translation

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

English Standard Version

yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Only a few translations say Faith OF JESUS Christ ------

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because we know that a man is not justified by works of The Written Law, but by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah, we also believe in Yeshua The Messiah, that we should be made right by the faith of The Messiah, and not by the works of The Written Law, because no one is made right by the works of The Written Law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Young's Literal Translation
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

So which is it -----is it our faith in Christ -that we strive to obtain --or is it the Faith of Christ that we possess by His Grace and not of any works by us ----

Could some of the translators ---translated this wrongly from the Greek

---it will change the faith role ----if it is Faith OF Jesus ---------it is His Faith we have in us ---it is not our Faith that we work to get

I say ----

If we think that we are suppose to have faith in Jesus ----we are always striving ---working--- to have more Faith ----we say I don't have enough faith yet for this or that ----when it is not about our Faith in Jesus --it is about Jesus Faith that is already there for us to access -----

Mark 4 ---Jesus is asleep when the storm comes and He says -----

“Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

The Greek word for Have is echō (----to have, i.e. to hold

to have (hold) in the hand -----to have i.e. own, posses

They already possessed His Faith they just didn't know it ------they didn't have to work for the Faith ---they possessed already ----faith is a free Gift from God ----we can't work to get God's faith ----and so many are striving to get enough faith --

Interesting Read all --I just posted this section

https://itisfinished.blog/2021/08/10/hermeneutics-faith-in-jesus-or-faith-of-jesus/#:~:text=Ephesians 4:5 tells us,the works of the Law.

The phrase is consistently rendered in English translations as “faith in Jesus Christ.” The Greek, however, says, “Pistis Iesou Christou,” which means the faith of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ’s faith.

Both of the nouns, faith and Jesus Christ, are genitive possessive. Remember, genitive possession denotes ownership, meaning Jesus owns the faith.

But translating it as “in” makes it sound like we need to put OUR faith IN Jesus, and we miss the importance of understanding that the faith belongs to Jesus — it is His!

Romans 3:22 is an important verse to correctly understand how God’s righteousness comes to us.

Is it by Jesus’ faith or putting our faith in Jesus that we are made righteous?

The NLT (New Living Translation) says, “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.” The ESV (English Standard Version) says, “The righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” And the CEV (Contemporary English Version) says, “He (God) accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.” That’s only three translations, but MOST translations say something similar. I found only a few that say faith OF Jesus Christ, the KJV, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible Translation, and Young’s Literal Translation.

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Because the faith OF Jesus Christ says that it’s a free gift, a FINISHED work!

But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Here is an another article on this

https://rtkendallministries.com/the-faith-of-christ

The idea that the Greek genitive case is possessive and literally translated as "of' is quite simplistic. It is just not that simple. So in Romans 3:22 translating the Greek genitive of "Jesus Christ" as in or as of is a matter of context and the author's intended meaning.

The statement below is just not so . . . Our faith in Jesus is not our own works at all.
But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Gideon300 · Sep 17, 2024

Chester said:

I like the Berean version of the Bible. Galatians 2:20 says "faith in". The literal translation of the Berean says "faith of". Why would the translators change for the study bible? I don't know. No doubt they have their reasons. I don't agree. I'm content to know Jesus as my love, joy, peace - and my faith.

studentoftheword · Sep 17, 2024

Chester said:

I disagree with your statement here ------- God is not the author of confusion ---and Faith in Jesus or Faith of Jesus I believe was a miss translation from the person translating from the Greek to english --Context has nothing to do with this these 2 words In or of when it comes the context in this Scripture you quote ---see below

This says there is one Faith -----

Ephesians 4:5-6

The Message

4-6 You were all called to travel on the same road and in the same direction, so stay together, both outwardly and inwardly.
You have one Master, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who rules over all, works through all, and is present in all. Everything you are and think and do is permeated with Oneness.
Read full chapter

This is your scripture you quote ====The context is on righteousness --how you obtain it -----in all these scripture Quoted here the context is the same -----

Romans 3:22 ---most translations say Faith in Christ ----some say Faith of Christ ---and the Berean actually says Faith From Christ

New International Version
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,

New Living Translation
We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But the righteousness of God is by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah unto every person, also upon every person who believes in him, for there is no distinction,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Even the justice of God, by faith of Jesus Christ, unto all and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction:

King James Bible
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Berean Literal Bible
And the righteousness of God is through faith from Jesus Christ toward all those believing. For there is no distinction,

Dino246 · Sep 18, 2024

This is a perfect example of unusual usage obfuscating meaning. I can think of several ways to explain why "faith in" is the better rendering... but I'm tired and not inclined to articulate them. In short, "faith of" is illogical and inconsistent with the whole counsel of Scripture.

Hakawaka · Sep 18, 2024

Christ will not believe for you. Which leads me to believe believing IN Christ is the correct way

studentoftheword · Sep 18, 2024

Dino246 said:

Or is it really -----inconsistent with the whole counsel of Scripture as you quote ---

Just maybe the real translation in the original Greek was Faith of Christ and not Faith in Christ -----and the later Greek translators got it wrong ------

From Google
The New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean from the conquests of Alexander the Great (335–323 BC) until the evolution of Byzantine Greek (c. 600).

studentoftheword · Sep 18, 2024

https://biblehub.com/greek/4102.htm

Faith (4102/pistis) is always received from God, and never generated by us.

The root of 4102/pistis ("faith") is 3982/peithô ("to persuade, be persuaded") which supplies the core-meaning of faith ("divine persuasion")

I Say --------S0 here we see it is God's Faith that we receive ----so can we drum up our own Faith to have in Jesus -----or does God Give us His Faith that we are persuaded by His Faith to believe in Jesus -----

Ro 12:3: "For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102/pistis)" (NASU).

So here we see ----that God has allotted out to each ----a measure of Faith -----so is it our measure of Faith to believe in Jesus or is it His measure of Faith that persuades us to believe in Jesus --that is allotted out to us -----think about it -----

homwardbound · Sep 18, 2024

Everyone has Faith in something. The ? to me is
What is the object of one's Faith is it in the risen Jesus, the dead Jesus or my spouse or my firend or my pastor, or the people of the Church I attend

To me, Jesus is risen and Father raised him from the dead for us to be raised also. To stand in thanksgiving an praise without a doubt in this truth to me at least
God, to me as I see this, Judges peoples motives
So do you believe God between God and you that God does love you, even though none of us deserve to have been given this love?

notmyown · Sep 18, 2024

the dispute is over the translation of the Greek preposition εἰς (eis). it's not the only one, either.

εἰς can legitimately be translated half a dozen ways, with context determining the meaning.

homwardbound · Sep 18, 2024

notmyown said:

It is all in the eye of the beholder
Just as the word "If" can mean "since" from the Greek translations
If, leaves doubt in people to doubt and not get established as God says one will not get established in Isaiah 7:9 about verses 1-9 how deep does doubt go int us the people that want to believe and say we believe yet doubt continues to enter us.
Faith in God Father and Son has no doubt, yet evil continues to present doubt
Does God simply just love us all y'all?

studentoftheword · Sep 18, 2024

Jesus said ---IT IS FINISHED -----what was included in His Statement ----

Jesus sent Christ to dwell in us -----would His Faith which He would impart to us be included in His statement ----It Is Finished ---?????????????????????

Sozo what does it entail -----how much of our own faith do we need to believe all of what what sozo offers ----
----little -faith ---medium Faith ---big Faith ----and are we working to get this Faith -----if we are doing works to increase our Faith then this negates Grace -----

How much faith can you muster to get yourself restored to full health from a disease -----Jesus who is the Word sent out His faith by His Word and Healed people ----

to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health

Can our Faith in Christ heal us to full health--or is it The Faith of Jesus that heals us to full health ?????????????

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/sozo.html

Sozo
sode'-zo
Parts of SpeechVerb
Sozo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 108

to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
1. one (from injury or peril)
  1. to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
  2. to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
2. to save in the technical biblical sense
  1. negatively 1b
3. to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment 1b
4. to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

Do all these things come from our Faith in Jesus ---or does it comes from Jesus' Faith who said ---it is Finished ----???????????

Cameron143 · Sep 18, 2024

For who maketh thee to differ from another? And what hast thou that thou didst not receive? Now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou didst not receive it?...1 Corinthians 4:7.

John146 · Sep 18, 2024

studentoftheword said:

Faith In -- or Faith Of

This seems important to understand ------this changes the perspective on Faith ------

Most Translations say ---Faith In Jesus Christ

took this from Bible hub ---you can check it out for yourselves ---

https://biblehub.com/galatians/2-16.htm

Galatians 2:16

New International Version

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

New Living Translation

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

English Standard Version

yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Only a few translations say Faith OF JESUS Christ ------

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because we know that a man is not justified by works of The Written Law, but by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah, we also believe in Yeshua The Messiah, that we should be made right by the faith of The Messiah, and not by the works of The Written Law, because no one is made right by the works of The Written Law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Young's Literal Translation
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

So which is it -----is it our faith in Christ -that we strive to obtain --or is it the Faith of Christ that we possess by His Grace and not of any works by us ----

Could some of the translators ---translated this wrongly from the Greek

---it will change the faith role ----if it is Faith OF Jesus ---------it is His Faith we have in us ---it is not our Faith that we work to get

I say ----

If we think that we are suppose to have faith in Jesus ----we are always striving ---working--- to have more Faith ----we say I don't have enough faith yet for this or that ----when it is not about our Faith in Jesus --it is about Jesus Faith that is already there for us to access -----

Mark 4 ---Jesus is asleep when the storm comes and He says -----

“Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

The Greek word for Have is echō (----to have, i.e. to hold

to have (hold) in the hand -----to have i.e. own, posses

They already possessed His Faith they just didn't know it ------they didn't have to work for the Faith ---they possessed already ----faith is a free Gift from God ----we can't work to get God's faith ----and so many are striving to get enough faith --

Interesting Read all --I just posted this section

https://itisfinished.blog/2021/08/10/hermeneutics-faith-in-jesus-or-faith-of-jesus/#:~:text=Ephesians 4:5 tells us,the works of the Law.

The phrase is consistently rendered in English translations as “faith in Jesus Christ.” The Greek, however, says, “Pistis Iesou Christou,” which means the faith of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ’s faith.

Both of the nouns, faith and Jesus Christ, are genitive possessive. Remember, genitive possession denotes ownership, meaning Jesus owns the faith.

But translating it as “in” makes it sound like we need to put OUR faith IN Jesus, and we miss the importance of understanding that the faith belongs to Jesus — it is His!

Romans 3:22 is an important verse to correctly understand how God’s righteousness comes to us.

Is it by Jesus’ faith or putting our faith in Jesus that we are made righteous?

The NLT (New Living Translation) says, “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.” The ESV (English Standard Version) says, “The righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” And the CEV (Contemporary English Version) says, “He (God) accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.” That’s only three translations, but MOST translations say something similar. I found only a few that say faith OF Jesus Christ, the KJV, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible Translation, and Young’s Literal Translation.

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Because the faith OF Jesus Christ says that it’s a free gift, a FINISHED work!

But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Here is an another article on this

https://rtkendallministries.com/the-faith-of-christ

This is a huge doctrine only found within the KJV. We are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ and not by the works of the law. His faith justifies the believer. All the other versions put justification upon man's faith.

John146 · Sep 18, 2024

Hakawaka said:

The faith of Christ is displayed through his life, death, and resurrection. Christ was completely obedient unto the Father. His faith justifies the believer. We believe in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by his faith, the testimony of the cross. Versions that have "in" instead of "of" put the justification on man, not Christ.

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Eli1 · Sep 18, 2024

Cute Calvinist thread.

homwardbound · Sep 18, 2024

FAITH=
F-orever
A=ble
I-n
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God cares for us all, y'all

Believe, receive and see eventually and grow up into maturity not ever quitting belief to Jesus is risen for you too. God his Father did this for us all y'all

homwardbound · Sep 18, 2024

studentoftheword said:

"It is Finished" what is finished?
Matthew 5:17
The Fulfillment of the Law
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

What is left? since the fulfilling of the Law is done in Son for the entire world!
Is it to believe Son is risen, if doubt, you will have a harder time in getting established (growing up)
Read Col 1 and 2 to see what is really done for you too, thank you
It is the resurrected Son that saves us here and now to learn new from many mistakes people make and learn to do new in trust to Father and Son as Won for us. Are you or anyone reading this here today the same as the first day anyone decided to believe God in risen Son, Jesus for them? The things, that are now gone, are you in pride over them as gone? if are then it might not be from God it is gone, since pride rides in you over it as if a person better than others Luke 18:9-14
Then what is left is "Guilt", yet by God we all have gotten forgiven, 1 John 2:1-12 tells me this, Ephesians 1:1-13 also. Phil 1- chapter 3 too. Thanks Father and Son as risen where new life begins from the very first day anyone believes you

Adino · Sep 18, 2024

studentoftheword said:

Faith In -- or Faith Of

This seems important to understand ------this changes the perspective on Faith ------

Most Translations say ---Faith In Jesus Christ

took this from Bible hub ---you can check it out for yourselves ---

https://biblehub.com/galatians/2-16.htm

Galatians 2:16

New International Version

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

New Living Translation

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

English Standard Version

yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Only a few translations say Faith OF JESUS Christ ------

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because we know that a man is not justified by works of The Written Law, but by the faith of Yeshua The Messiah, we also believe in Yeshua The Messiah, that we should be made right by the faith of The Messiah, and not by the works of The Written Law, because no one is made right by the works of The Written Law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Young's Literal Translation
having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

So which is it -----is it our faith in Christ -that we strive to obtain --or is it the Faith of Christ that we possess by His Grace and not of any works by us ----

Could some of the translators ---translated this wrongly from the Greek

---it will change the faith role ----if it is Faith OF Jesus ---------it is His Faith we have in us ---it is not our Faith that we work to get

I say ----

If we think that we are suppose to have faith in Jesus ----we are always striving ---working--- to have more Faith ----we say I don't have enough faith yet for this or that ----when it is not about our Faith in Jesus --it is about Jesus Faith that is already there for us to access -----

Mark 4 ---Jesus is asleep when the storm comes and He says -----

“Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

The Greek word for Have is echō (----to have, i.e. to hold

to have (hold) in the hand -----to have i.e. own, posses

They already possessed His Faith they just didn't know it ------they didn't have to work for the Faith ---they possessed already ----faith is a free Gift from God ----we can't work to get God's faith ----and so many are striving to get enough faith --

Interesting Read all --I just posted this section

https://itisfinished.blog/2021/08/10/hermeneutics-faith-in-jesus-or-faith-of-jesus/#:~:text=Ephesians 4:5 tells us,the works of the Law.

The phrase is consistently rendered in English translations as “faith in Jesus Christ.” The Greek, however, says, “Pistis Iesou Christou,” which means the faith of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ’s faith.

Both of the nouns, faith and Jesus Christ, are genitive possessive. Remember, genitive possession denotes ownership, meaning Jesus owns the faith.

But translating it as “in” makes it sound like we need to put OUR faith IN Jesus, and we miss the importance of understanding that the faith belongs to Jesus — it is His!

Romans 3:22 is an important verse to correctly understand how God’s righteousness comes to us.

Is it by Jesus’ faith or putting our faith in Jesus that we are made righteous?

The NLT (New Living Translation) says, “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.” The ESV (English Standard Version) says, “The righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.” And the CEV (Contemporary English Version) says, “He (God) accepts people only because they have faith in Jesus Christ.” That’s only three translations, but MOST translations say something similar. I found only a few that say faith OF Jesus Christ, the KJV, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible Translation, and Young’s Literal Translation.

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Why is an understanding of the words OF or IN critical?

Because the faith OF Jesus Christ says that it’s a free gift, a FINISHED work!

But faith IN Jesus Christ makes it something we need to do to become righteous or that God ONLY accepts people BECAUSE of their faith in Jesus. And that’s just not true. That makes it about OUR works, instead of His FINISHED works.

Here is an another article on this

https://rtkendallministries.com/the-faith-of-christ

...or both!

No faith in Jesus can be different than the faith of Jesus. To be so it would be both extra-Christological and extra-scriptural. This is going to connect directly to our Christology, Pneumatology, and ecclesiology, not just soteriology because faith causally consequent of the Spirit is much different than any variety of faith causally consequent of the flesh. This is especially true when considering pre-regenerate flesh (sinful) and post-regenerate flesh (redeemed).

This came to my attention recently -----is it Faith IN Jesus or Faith OF Jesus

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