Has WW3 already begun and people just don't know…

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Neither of those is my source of information. I didn't say NATO was winning. I said Russia isn't. Remember when they claimed it would take 3 days? It's now day 942.

They're getting their butts kicked in a lot of places. Russia is emptying prisons to get people to fight because they're running out of people. They've abducted thousands of Ukrainian children and are forcing them to be raised by Russian families. They are indiscriminately bombing residential areas, executing hostages, and so many other atrocities.
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They're an entire nation of war criminals. I don't understand how any Christian could support them.
I think this is untrue and unfair. Was the Russian attack on Ukraine illegal? Yes. But did NATO illegally back out of a historical agreement which forced Russia to attack? Also yes. Does that make Russia war criminals? I don't think so. But if you are accusing Russia of being war criminals, I hope you're also in there accusing the state of Israel and the United States. Else it just makes you sound hypocritical.
 

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Maybe the misunderstanding is more about inflation?
Inflation is the US governments attempt to avoid bankruptcy, but it won't work. When the US inflates the dollar it robs everyone who has US dollars and US debt. As a result the more our dollar is inflated the more impetus there is for dedollarization and the move to the BRICS currency. Our standard of living is much better than it might otherwise be because the US dollar is (was) the reserve currency. When that is no longer true we will have runaway inflation. Right now the entire world helps shoulder the load of the US debt but at that time the entire load will be put on Americans and they won't be able to carry it.

People are fleeing the dollar, not because of inflation, but because they have lost confidence and trust in the integrity of the dollar. If you compare inflation in the US with other countries our inflation is lower, and yet our debt is higher. The reason is because we are the reserve currency and we can simply print money. As long as we did not abuse that they trusted us, but when we discovered we could print money at will that provoked the exodus. This exit from the US dollar has been in the works for 19 years, so it takes time.

But make no mistake, the problem is our debt which we cannot ever pay off, that is why we have lost trust and that is why they will exit the US dollar. Only then will you really see the inflation, right now what you are seeing is trivial compared to what is about to hit.
 
Come on. Dig a little deeper instead of listening to the Lamestream narrative. Ukraine is toast. About 500k of its population was exterminated in the war. Its so bad that Zelensky and the US instigators of this war are guilty of genocide.

I would like for Ukraine to have won (given it did not instigate the war), but its simply not true.
Ukraine did instigate the war, the wouldn't leave the Russian speaking populace in Ukraine alone. They were shelling the Donbass for 8 years.

Russia intervened to protect those Russians. (Ukriane was funded by the USA to oppose Russia)
 
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Ukraine did instigate the war, the wouldn't leave the Russian speaking populace in Ukraine alone. They were shelling the Donbass for 8 years.

Russia intervened to protect those Russians. (Ukriane was funded by the USA to oppose Russia)
Donbass was part of Ukraine. Granted, a civil war or attacks against a nation's people in another country may merit an invasion. But to be consistent with that line of thinking, you would also have to defend Hitler's invasion of Poland at the start of World War II? Do you defend Hitler's invasion of Poland also?

And remember, those Russians wouldn't have been in Ukraine if the Russians didn't murder most of the Ukrainians who lived there by sending them to Gulags during the Communist and Soviet Union period. How far do we want to go back?
 

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Inflation is the US governments attempt to avoid bankruptcy, but it won't work. When the US inflates the dollar it robs everyone who has US dollars and US debt. As a result the more our dollar is inflated the more impetus there is for dedollarization and the move to the BRICS currency. Our standard of living is much better than it might otherwise be because the US dollar is (was) the reserve currency. When that is no longer true we will have runaway inflation. Right now the entire world helps shoulder the load of the US debt but at that time the entire load will be put on Americans and they won't be able to carry it.

People are fleeing the dollar, not because of inflation, but because they have lost confidence and trust in the integrity of the dollar. If you compare inflation in the US with other countries our inflation is lower, and yet our debt is higher. The reason is because we are the reserve currency and we can simply print money. As long as we did not abuse that they trusted us, but when we discovered we could print money at will that provoked the exodus. This exit from the US dollar has been in the works for 19 years, so it takes time.

But make no mistake, the problem is our debt which we cannot ever pay off, that is why we have lost trust and that is why they will exit the US dollar. Only then will you really see the inflation, right now what you are seeing is trivial compared to what is about to hit.
That's a whole lot of ado. What you haven't done is say why it's different now, than it was the other times people have said the same thing, at $1T, $5T, $10T, etc., but nothing every came of it. Certainly there's a number that's too high, but you've done nothing to convince me that the current level of debt is that number.
 

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That's a whole lot of ado. What you haven't done is say why it's different now, than it was the other times people have said the same thing, at $1T, $5T, $10T, etc., but nothing every came of it. Certainly there's a number that's too high, but you've done nothing to convince me that the current level of debt is that number.
What is an acceptable amount of debt for a person who makes 100k a year. Often they will compare this to a mortgage but that is erroneous. With a mortgage there is an asset that is greater than what you are borrowing money to buy. So if you liken our debt to a mortgage you have to also identify the asset that was purchased with that debt.

So instead, what is the acceptable amount of credit card debt for a person that makes 100k a year? If you had a balance on your AMEX card of 100k would that be acceptable? How about 200k? The US tax revenue for this coming year is estimated to be $4.5 trillion but our debt is $35 trillion. That is like a guy who makes 100k a year having 700k in debt on his credit card.

Obviously no credit card company would allow this, so how did it happen with the US. We print the money, that is one huge advantage we have over the guy who makes 100k. If you take that advantage away from us then everything changes. That is what is known as "the reserve currency". The world is abandoning the US dollar and switching to BRICS and when they do that we will no longer be able to simply print money. The minute we do inflation will be tied to that on a 1:1 basis.

The second advantage we have is the interest rate. For many years as our debt rose our interest rate was 4.36%. The guy who has the 700k in credit card debt would probably be paying 25%. If the interest rate were to rise from 4.36% to 7.36% our interest payment would go from $1 trillion to $2 trillion. The IMF typically loans money out to financially strapped countries at rates greater than 8%. Again, the minute the US is no longer the reserve currency will be the minute the cost to service our debt will double. $3.3 trillion of our US budget is non discretionary. These are our "obligations". That includes $1 trillion to service our debt. If that number doubled then it would be $4.3 trillion, that is our total revenue. 40% is discretionary, which means education, defense, transportation, etc. If that money were cut off then we would have massive unemployment, no welfare, no unemployment benefits, and as a result a huge drop in our tax revenues. Our tax revenue would likely drop to $3 trillion, while our non discretionary would be $4.3 trillion.

Also we couldn't pay it off with funny money anymore. By inflating the dollar the US was essentially borrowing money at 0% (if you pay 4% interest on the debt and inflation is 4% you are paying the debt off with inflated dollars). Most countries are divesting of the US dollar, when they fully switch to a different currency they will fully divest.

None of this is theoretical, bankers bread and butter is bankruptcy. The do this everyday with individuals, companies and even countries. Just because some of these companies are billion dollar companies like Lehman brothers and Enron doesn't mean they don't go bankrupt. Same with Silicon Valley Bank and Signature bank.

So we know how this plays out and we know when the collapse happens. It will take place in a matter of hours, just like every other bankruptcy. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about right up to the minute they lock their door and declare they are bankrupt.
 

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There is a very reasonable question that Nighttwister raises which is if the US can't pay off its debts why do countries loan the money to it? These countries aren't stupid. That is true, it is like a loan shark. He isn't going to loan you money if you can't pay. In the same way the US can pay. The US has a whole lot of assets that can be seized. That is the same thing that a loan shark would do. He would take your car, your house and your business. When they calculate how much you can pay they are looking at everything which is why they are called sharks.

The US is the land of unwalled villages

Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

The politicians who have opened our southern border, they are the degenerate gamblers who owe money to the loan sharks, they can't pay and so they are facilitating the loan shark to come in and take spoil and prey
 
Donbass was part of Ukraine. Granted, a civil war or attacks against a nation's people in another country may merit an invasion. But to be consistent with that line of thinking, you would also have to defend Hitler's invasion of Poland at the start of World War II? Do you defend Hitler's invasion of Poland also?

And remember, those Russians wouldn't have been in Ukraine if the Russians didn't murder most of the Ukrainians who lived there by sending them to Gulags during the Communist and Soviet Union period. How far do we want to go back?
Just to clarify I am not defending anything what in fact I am trying to show is how all of this was planned… All planned for us to end up in the situation we are in the early stages of WW3.

There is no escaping it… the point of no return was when the German Leopard tanks entered into Ukriane.

No what what happens the west loses. If the had to back down (which they won't) BRICS under Russia takes over and if they continue (which they will) then it leads to nukes being used and invasion of Europe by Russia. (not sure of which order first)

Therefore 2020 marked the beginning of the end of the west as it was…

However as alluded to this was all planned.
 

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It's not impossible. I'd even say it is the ideal outcome.
Time will tell, what will happen is the great Babylon will be judged in one hour.
 

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What is an acceptable amount of debt for a person who makes 100k a year. Often they will compare this to a mortgage but that is erroneous. With a mortgage there is an asset that is greater than what you are borrowing money to buy. So if you liken our debt to a mortgage you have to also identify the asset that was purchased with that debt.

So instead, what is the acceptable amount of credit card debt for a person that makes 100k a year? If you had a balance on your AMEX card of 100k would that be acceptable? How about 200k? The US tax revenue for this coming year is estimated to be $4.5 trillion but our debt is $35 trillion. That is like a guy who makes 100k a year having 700k in debt on his credit card.

Obviously no credit card company would allow this, so how did it happen with the US. We print the money, that is one huge advantage we have over the guy who makes 100k. If you take that advantage away from us then everything changes. That is what is known as "the reserve currency". The world is abandoning the US dollar and switching to BRICS and when they do that we will no longer be able to simply print money. The minute we do inflation will be tied to that on a 1:1 basis.

The second advantage we have is the interest rate. For many years as our debt rose our interest rate was 4.36%. The guy who has the 700k in credit card debt would probably be paying 25%. If the interest rate were to rise from 4.36% to 7.36% our interest payment would go from $1 trillion to $2 trillion. The IMF typically loans money out to financially strapped countries at rates greater than 8%. Again, the minute the US is no longer the reserve currency will be the minute the cost to service our debt will double. $3.3 trillion of our US budget is non discretionary. These are our "obligations". That includes $1 trillion to service our debt. If that number doubled then it would be $4.3 trillion, that is our total revenue. 40% is discretionary, which means education, defense, transportation, etc. If that money were cut off then we would have massive unemployment, no welfare, no unemployment benefits, and as a result a huge drop in our tax revenues. Our tax revenue would likely drop to $3 trillion, while our non discretionary would be $4.3 trillion.

Also we couldn't pay it off with funny money anymore. By inflating the dollar the US was essentially borrowing money at 0% (if you pay 4% interest on the debt and inflation is 4% you are paying the debt off with inflated dollars). Most countries are divesting of the US dollar, when they fully switch to a different currency they will fully divest.

None of this is theoretical, bankers bread and butter is bankruptcy. The do this everyday with individuals, companies and even countries. Just because some of these companies are billion dollar companies like Lehman brothers and Enron doesn't mean they don't go bankrupt. Same with Silicon Valley Bank and Signature bank.

So we know how this plays out and we know when the collapse happens. It will take place in a matter of hours, just like every other bankruptcy. Everything is fine, nothing to worry about right up to the minute they lock their door and declare they are bankrupt.
Nothing hew here. Same exact arguments when it was lower. Your numbers are also incomplete because you aren't considering all factors. This won't go anywhere, so you can have the last word. Maybe we can talk again when it's $50T and the sky hasn't fallen yet.
 

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Just to clarify I am not defending anything what in fact I am trying to show is how all of this was planned… All planned for us to end up in the situation we are in the early stages of WW3.

There is no escaping it… the point of no return was when the German Leopard tanks entered into Ukriane.

No what what happens the west loses. If the had to back down (which they won't) BRICS under Russia takes over and if they continue (which they will) then it leads to nukes being used and invasion of Europe by Russia. (not sure of which order first)

Therefore 2020 marked the beginning of the end of the west as it was…

However as alluded to this was all planned.
BRICS is an international joke.
 

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BRICS is an international joke.
Time will tell, but as much as it is a joke so also is the "petro dollar" because that no longer exists. But know this, the price of gold is up 44% in the last twelve months. That is evidence that people are fleeing the US dollar for something safe like gold.
 
BRICS is an international joke.
BRICS is the "backup plan" by the "communists" and just Russia and China militarily are more than a match for all of NATO.

I'm afraid the danger is very real.

One must look at the situation carefully 50+ nations have gone against Russia and Russia is destroying everything the west have sent to Ukraine. If the USA is pulled out of the mess they started (which trumo will do to leave Europe vulnerable) how will Europe stop Russia?

After much devastation… It will be stopped through Almighty God's hand and the being displayed through the nation (that will rise up again like a gigantic submarine breaking fourth fron under the waves) to fill the vacuum the USA will leave.
 

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Time will tell, but as much as it is a joke so also is the "petro dollar" because that no longer exists. But know this, the price of gold is up 44% in the last twelve months. That is evidence that people are fleeing the US dollar for something safe like gold.
Not the first time won't be the last time.
 

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BRICS is the "backup plan" by the "communists" and just Russia and China militarily are more than a match for all of NATO.

I'm afraid the danger is very real.

One must look at the situation carefully 50+ nations have gone against Russia and Russia is destroying everything the west have sent to Ukraine. If the USA is pulled out of the mess they started (which trumo will do to leave Europe vulnerable) how will Europe stop Russia?

After much devastation… It will be stopped through Almighty God's hand and the being displayed through the nation (that wi
BRICS is the "backup plan" by the "communists" and just Russia and China militarily are more than a match for all of NATO.
That made me laugh.