Hi Pastor Tommy. You need to read the original post as well as post #30,32,39, 40, 42, 46, 48, 49, 58, 60, 113, 125, 148, 153, 154, 155, 157, 162, and 177. My friend does believe that Jesus Christ is divine since he is the Son of God, created all things in our reality, and is above all things created in our reality. He is our God, just not the one God almighty of all realities.
Please help me to respond to some of my non-trinitarian friends
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How can you or anyone see God as God actually is?
No one could stand back far enough from Him to see Him!
How could you?
He is everywhere present!
That means?
While trying to look at Him He would be everywhere behind you!
Everywhere present beneath your feet!!
And, everywhere present above you!
You can not see God, as God is, without Him having a second nature in union.
No one can not stand back far enough from omnipresence to see it!
For no matter how far you back up He will always be all around you!
No one could stand back far enough from Him to see Him!
How could you?
He is everywhere present!
That means?
While trying to look at Him He would be everywhere behind you!
Everywhere present beneath your feet!!
And, everywhere present above you!
You can not see God, as God is, without Him having a second nature in union.
No one can not stand back far enough from omnipresence to see it!
For no matter how far you back up He will always be all around you!
The hypostatic union (the incarnation) is actual and real and.....final.
Irreversible as far as we know.
God can be (and now is) both a man and infinite omnipotent omnipresent God.
Mat 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Unfortunately, this topic is not as simple as "I looked it up"; because not everyone defines these terms the same way. Historically, "unitarian" has been used to describe anyone who believes in singular personhood of God; regardless of any other beliefs.
Wikisource
1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Unitarianism
The term “Unitarian” first emerges in 1682, and appears in the title of the Brief History (1687). It was construed in a broad sense to cover all who, with whatever differences, held the unipersonality of the Divine Being.
Wikisource
1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Unitarianism
The term “Unitarian” first emerges in 1682, and appears in the title of the Brief History (1687). It was construed in a broad sense to cover all who, with whatever differences, held the unipersonality of the Divine Being.
THANK YOU, but NO, I am not going back to read any of that. MY REPLY DID NOT ADDRESS ANYONE SPECIFICALLY. It was based on the definitions I found regarding what Trinatarians and Unitarians believe, and was answered with scripture, that's it.
How can you say that Jesus is your God, just not the one God almighty of all realities, when Jesus said "I and my Father are one" in JOHN 10:30 (KJV)? Do you have a mental block or inability to understand this?
Then, to support that , we see in PHILIPPIANS 2:9-10 (KJV) Wherefore God also has highly exalted Him (Jesus), and given Him a name which is ABOVE EVERY NAME: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in Heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth. This can be verified in MATTHEW 28:18 (KJV) in Jesus words "And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, "All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in earth".
IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR, Jesus is the Son of God through the Holy Spirit, that would position Him to be equal with God, since God clearly handed Him the authority. By the way, His authority also include final Judgments, when Jesus will judge all of humanity, both the living and the dead as we see in JOHN 5:22 (KJV) For the Father judgeth no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son.
Again, not to be ugly, I ask you... do you have a mental block or inability to understand this? It is as plain as day.
How can you say that Jesus is your God, just not the one God almighty of all realities, when Jesus said "I and my Father are one" in JOHN 10:30 (KJV)? Do you have a mental block or inability to understand this?
Then, to support that , we see in PHILIPPIANS 2:9-10 (KJV) Wherefore God also has highly exalted Him (Jesus), and given Him a name which is ABOVE EVERY NAME: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in Heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth. This can be verified in MATTHEW 28:18 (KJV) in Jesus words "And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, "All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in earth".
IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR, Jesus is the Son of God through the Holy Spirit, that would position Him to be equal with God, since God clearly handed Him the authority. By the way, His authority also include final Judgments, when Jesus will judge all of humanity, both the living and the dead as we see in JOHN 5:22 (KJV) For the Father judgeth no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son.
Again, not to be ugly, I ask you... do you have a mental block or inability to understand this? It is as plain as day.
THANK YOU. I knew this would come up. I did not say "I looked it up"... I researched the definitions for a base to address it from. But of course, there is always going to be variables in this, as with almost anything. But I was not going to try and answer with a 10,000 page Thesis to cover it all.
I believe the scriptures I offered gave credible evidence of a trinity. I HAVE NOT MADE IT MY LIFE GOAL TO ARGUE SUCH, which I see as nonsense, to try and separate God from Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as many have. It's demonic to try and do so.
I believe the scriptures I offered gave credible evidence of a trinity. I HAVE NOT MADE IT MY LIFE GOAL TO ARGUE SUCH, which I see as nonsense, to try and separate God from Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as many have. It's demonic to try and do so.
no it was not added it was revealed in the context of the word of God.
The issue is man limited ability to fully know all about God Divine Nature.
God the Creator and Father is seen in the word of God
The Spirit of the Living God the Holy Spirit is God seen in the Word of God .
Jesus the Son of God who is God is seen in the word of God
three distinct person's yet one. No one on this side can fully comprehend that.
The Triune God who is one cannot be explained by human rational.
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I disagree with some of the terms in what is called "Trinitarians."
First off, the debate is, in my opinion, a ploy of the enemy to keep those who know Christ from being effective in preaching the Gospel.
Debate:
All of this is unfruitful. Most are pride-driven. No one reading this debates on these topics is getting saved who were not saved. They are argued by those who claim to be saved already.
Most in this debate are looking to be right instead of DOING Right.
First off, the debate is, in my opinion, a ploy of the enemy to keep those who know Christ from being effective in preaching the Gospel.
Debate:
- Trinitarians vs Unitarians or Oness
- Calvinism vs Arminianism
- cessationism vs continuations
All of this is unfruitful. Most are pride-driven. No one reading this debates on these topics is getting saved who were not saved. They are argued by those who claim to be saved already.
Most in this debate are looking to be right instead of DOING Right.
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I agree, this Trinitarian -vs- Unitarian is a division device by Satan, as is the Rapture argument. My definition of Trinitarian was found in my research, which is apparently a "generic definitiion". But as usual, there are going to be variances.
My intention was to use scripture to show what the bible actually offers to settle this ongoing dispute, nothing more.
I agree, this Trinitarian -vs- Unitarian is a division device by Satan, as is the Rapture argument. My definition of Trinitarian was found in my research, which is apparently a "generic definitiion". But as usual, there are going to be variances.
My intention was to use scripture to show what the bible actually offers to settle this ongoing dispute, nothing more.
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Personally, I can understand, simply by taking God at his word.
A good way to understand this is to look at a family of a father, mother and child. There are three persons, who form one family.
In the same way, we know God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are three who form the one Godhead.
TA DA!
Personally, I can understand, simply by taking God at his word.
A good way to understand this is to look at a family of a father, mother and child. There are three persons, who form one family.
In the same way, we know God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are three who form the one Godhead.
TA DA!
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Personally, I can understand, simply by taking God at his word.
A good way to understand this is to look at a family of a father, mother and child. There are three persons, who form one family.
In the same way, we know God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are three who form the one Godhead.
TA DA!
Personally, I can understand, simply by taking God at his word.
A good way to understand this is to look at a family of a father, mother and child. There are three persons, who form one family.
In the same way, we know God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are three who form the one Godhead.
TA DA!
Well is cute but far from explaining the full Nature of God. First off, the father, mother , and child are all limited; God is not.
The father is not the mother, and the mother is not the father
God is God the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus is God .
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Yes, and your point is?
Understanding the full nature of God is not necessary in trying to simply understand the concept of the trinity.
We understand that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit each have a different purpose or role, but work in perfect unity to form the one Godhead.
Why do you insist on being "legalistic", making this technical and difficult for others to try and understand it? The use of Spiritual common sense is all that is needed to grasp this.
The simple truth of the Gospel is not that hard to understand, as some people make it out to be. Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
Yes, and your point is?
Understanding the full nature of God is not necessary in trying to simply understand the concept of the trinity.
We understand that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit each have a different purpose or role, but work in perfect unity to form the one Godhead.
Why do you insist on being "legalistic", making this technical and difficult for others to try and understand it? The use of Spiritual common sense is all that is needed to grasp this.
The simple truth of the Gospel is not that hard to understand, as some people make it out to be. Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
This is from Post #113 which you didn't read:
My friend says that you don't have the correct understanding of Oneness.
John 17: 20-23 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Jesus is praying to the Father and at the same time is explaining Oneness. How is the Father in Jesus and Jesus in the Father? Jesus is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father and where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. In Isaiah 63: 9-10, the Holy Spirit is referred to as the "Angel of His presence". It is referred to as an angel because it can be sent. When someone is baptized by Christ with the Holy Spirit, he becomes the temple of the Son, who is the temple of the Father ("as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee"). The Holy Spirit is a portal through which the Father (the invisible God) can interact with the beings indwelt. Christ is so filled with the Holy Spirit that he is the visible image of the invisible God and is One with the Father because of the portal (Holy Spirit) that connects them. When we get baptized with this portal, both Father and Son enter our beings and we as part of the spiritual body of Christ are welcomed in the Father's family. That is how we are in Christ and in the Father. Together, they perfect us by filling us with divine love so that when every thought and action is motivated by love for God first and everyone else as we love ourselves, we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law as given by Jesus when asked which is the greatest commandment. We become One with the Father and Son when they can access our beings through this portal. Any living being with a mind of his own would have words to explain his thoughts, but the Holy Spirit does not speak his own words. When the Holy Spirit speaks, he is speaking the words of the Father or the Son.
Again, you should humble yourself and read the posts that I listed.
My friend says that you don't have the correct understanding of Oneness.
John 17: 20-23 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Jesus is praying to the Father and at the same time is explaining Oneness. How is the Father in Jesus and Jesus in the Father? Jesus is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father and where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. In Isaiah 63: 9-10, the Holy Spirit is referred to as the "Angel of His presence". It is referred to as an angel because it can be sent. When someone is baptized by Christ with the Holy Spirit, he becomes the temple of the Son, who is the temple of the Father ("as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee"). The Holy Spirit is a portal through which the Father (the invisible God) can interact with the beings indwelt. Christ is so filled with the Holy Spirit that he is the visible image of the invisible God and is One with the Father because of the portal (Holy Spirit) that connects them. When we get baptized with this portal, both Father and Son enter our beings and we as part of the spiritual body of Christ are welcomed in the Father's family. That is how we are in Christ and in the Father. Together, they perfect us by filling us with divine love so that when every thought and action is motivated by love for God first and everyone else as we love ourselves, we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law as given by Jesus when asked which is the greatest commandment. We become One with the Father and Son when they can access our beings through this portal. Any living being with a mind of his own would have words to explain his thoughts, but the Holy Spirit does not speak his own words. When the Holy Spirit speaks, he is speaking the words of the Father or the Son.
Again, you should humble yourself and read the posts that I listed.