Total Depravity

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brightfame52

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The phrase totally depraved is nowhere near strong enough to describe the spiritual state of mankind, for it allows room for life, albeit a depraved one. The language of Scripture is “DEAD in trespasses and sins”, and this is the language of every true born again Christian. Total depravity is only a symptom of something far worse: spiritual death. Man lives a spiritually depraved life because he is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. Prior to salvation man only has a depraved life, because he is deprived of all spiritual life by sin. Man is far more than totally depraved in life, he is totally deprived of life!

Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one[Adam] many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Religionist today deny that man through Adam was made dead to God and that how each of us enter into this world through natural birth.
 
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brightfame52

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rogerg said:
No, it is sin.

[Psa 51:5 NIV] 5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
[Psa 51:5 KJV] 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
[Psa 51:5 ESV] 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

[Rom 5:18-19 KJV]

18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[19 ESV] 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
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Job like other Saints made alive by God understood mans sinnership from the womb Job 14:4

4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.
 
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brightfame52 said:
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No its not, you are misled.
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Your not one of God's Elect, Romans chapter 8, Spirit of adoption. Romans chapter 9, vessels for destruction are Reprobates. Isaiah chapter 6, this group is spiritually dead, Spirit of slumber. Reprobates have unclesn Spirit
Three different groups.


Your misleading people.

Ill be ignoring you from here out.
 
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Magenta said:
Sinless or not, a person MUST be born again. Until then, ALL are by NATURE children of wrath.

Some do not like that fact and argue tooth and nail against it.
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Moot issue. THERE IS NOBODY that's "Not Sinless", consequently being BORN AGAIN is a universal requirement and your "Nature" argument is totally unimportant.
 
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Magenta said:
Ridiculous to call a universal requirement "moot."
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CONTEXT!!! You said: "Sinless or not, a person MUST be born again".

Since EVERYBODY SINS, then there IS NO "NOT". Jesus was SINLESS, but HE didn't have to be Born Again, since HE already HAD the Holy Spirit (as recorded at his baptism).
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
CONTEXT!!! You said: "Sinless or not, a person MUST be born again".

Since EVERYBODY SINS, then there IS NO "NOT". Jesus was SINLESS, but HE didn't have to be Born Again, since HE already HAD the Holy Spirit (as recorded at his baptism).
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Yes, and it is true that regardless of whether or not one sins, they MUST be born again.
Since it is a universal requirement it is ridiculous to call it a moot point.
Much of Scripture is about the very fact that the natural man is lost and
in need of being saved, of which being born again plays a major part.

Where is it recorded at Jesus' baptism that He already had the Holy Spirit?
 
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