Total Depravity

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j55

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The term "by their works" pertains to those who rely on their deeds for justification. Such individuals are deemed detestable and disobedient by God, as they violate His covenant of grace. Not placing trust solely in Christ as Savior, but in one's own works, is the inherited and fundamental sin that brings eternal judgment. However, if one is saved by Christ, then their sins are forgiven. From this forgiveness, they will stop relying on their own deeds and instead trust in His grace and Christ.

To an extent I agree. In John chapter 15, the holy Spirit is needed to convict Christian of sin. Therefore, Reprobates won't repent. Jesus told us in John chapter 3, about those who come to the light, unless there deeds be examined.


The body of Christ consists of the election. Ephesians chapter 3, was built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. They are the election.


Reprobates are not Born again , 2 Corinthians chapter 4. Satan has them. They have unclesn Spirit. They don't have Spirit of slumber or Holy Spirit.

Don't have Spirit of Christ
Romans 8:9
1 Peter chapter 1:3
2 Corinthians chapter 4
Romans 5:5
Titus 1:15
Reprobates are children of the devil.

Matthew 12:43 Kathairo in Greek means demonic, unclesn Spirit.
1 John 4:8
He that commits sin is of the devil, for the devil sins from the beginning.
4:9. Who ever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John 16:8
And when he comes, He will convict world of sin, and of Righteousness and of judgement.

Romans chapter 9. Reprobates hate word of God, and including Truth about reprobation. They work to distort the Gospel Truth through their diligent labors of spreading heresy. These are false brethren.

Romans chapter 1
Being filed with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, strife, Deceit, malice, gossips, .1:29.

Claim to be Christian, fruits show they are Reprobates. No middle ground. Your either servant of God or child of the devil.

I'm not judging anyone. I won't sugar coat Gods word either.

Take care.
 

brightfame52

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To an extent I agree. In John chapter 15, the holy Spirit is needed to convict Christian of sin. Therefore, Reprobates won't repent. Jesus told us in John chapter 3, about those who come to the light, unless there deeds be examined.


The body of Christ consists of the election. Ephesians chapter 3, was built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. They are the election.


Reprobates are not Born again , 2 Corinthians chapter 4. Satan has them. They have unclesn Spirit. They don't have Spirit of slumber or Holy Spirit.

Don't have Spirit of Christ
Romans 8:9
1 Peter chapter 1:3
2 Corinthians chapter 4
Romans 5:5
Titus 1:15
Reprobates are children of the devil.

Matthew 12:43 Kathairo in Greek means demonic, unclesn Spirit.
1 John 4:8
He that commits sin is of the devil, for the devil sins from the beginning.
4:9. Who ever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John 16:8
And when he comes, He will convict world of sin, and of Righteousness and of judgement.

Romans chapter 9. Reprobates hate word of God, and including Truth about reprobation. They work to distort the Gospel Truth through their diligent labors of spreading heresy. These are false brethren.

Romans chapter 1
Being filed with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, strife, Deceit, malice, gossips, .1:29.

Claim to be Christian, fruits show they are Reprobates. No middle ground. Your either servant of God or child of the devil.

I'm not judging anyone. I won't sugar coat Gods word either.

Take care.
All are by nature reprobate and will not repent, our nature is one of disobedience Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 

TMS

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We are all wretched, poor, blind and naked. And our works will never be good enough to save us.

Justification is being judged as sinless because of what Jesus did and is doing for us. It comes by faith alone.

But good works are not to be neglected.

We should be acting like born again children of heaven. Our characters should reveal the change that Jesus has created in us.
The Bible is full of examples of righteous works that His people show.

Not to gain heaven but because you love Jesus.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

We abide in Jesus' love by keeping His commandments.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Good works will not save us but we are created to glorify God with good works.
Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Read Heb 11 and James 2 and it is clear that faith and works go hand in hand with each other.

Faith is what saves but works will be seen reflecting that faith.
 

brightfame52

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Nov 21, 2020
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We are all wretched, poor, blind and naked. And our works will never be good enough to save us.

Justification is being judged as sinless because of what Jesus did and is doing for us. It comes by faith alone.

But good works are not to be neglected.

We should be acting like born again children of heaven. Our characters should reveal the change that Jesus has created in us.
The Bible is full of examples of righteous works that His people show.

Not to gain heaven but because you love Jesus.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

We abide in Jesus' love by keeping His commandments.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Good works will not save us but we are created to glorify God with good works.
Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Read Heb 11 and James 2 and it is clear that faith and works go hand in hand with each other.

Faith is what saves but works will be seen reflecting that faith.
Man by nature is dead to God, in need of Spiritual Resurrection/Life. Until then nothing men can do