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Cameron143

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OK, but the Old covenant prophesied He would come meek and mild rising on a donkey and that He would come in glory. So only half of the prophesied coming of the Messiah has been fulfilled.
Only if you believe it wasn't Christ who came 1st century in the destruction of Jerusalem.
 

ZNP

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Only if you believe it wasn't Christ who came 1st century in the destruction of Jerusalem.
You can believe what you want about 70AD but there is no way to believe that Psalm 83 was fulfilled prior to 2023 and 2024.
 

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You can believe what you want about 70AD but there is no way to believe that Psalm 83 was fulfilled prior to 2023 and 2024.
There are other understandings than yours on Psalm 83. They aren't hard to find.
 

ZNP

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There are other understandings than yours on Psalm 83. They aren't hard to find.
It is very easy to identify the peoples mentioned in that Psalm and there has never been a case in which they have all fought against Israel at the same time prior to 2023 but beside that the prophesy says they'll never do it again because they have perished.

17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

So the very fact that this did happen in 2023 and 2024 is further proof it was not fulfilled previously because this is a once and done prophesy.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 have also not been fulfilled.

You can go on. There are a number of prophecies in the Old Testament that have not been fulfilled.
 

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It is very easy to identify the peoples mentioned in that Psalm and there has never been a case in which they have all fought against Israel at the same time prior to 2023 but beside that the prophesy says they'll never do it again because they have perished.

17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

So the very fact that this did happen in 2023 and 2024 is further proof it was not fulfilled previously because this is a once and done prophesy.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 have also not been fulfilled.

You can go on. There are a number of prophecies in the Old Testament that have not been fulfilled.
The Roman army was made up of people from every nation they conquered.
 

ZNP

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The Roman army was made up of people from every nation they conquered.
Besides being a very lame explanation and besides the fact that Rome was not one of the countries listed, according to Psalm 83 after the war (which you are interpreting as 70 AD) it would not ever happen again, which means it has been proven false since it is happening in 2023 and 2024.

Also in 70 AD Rome did not perish. But according to Psalm 83 the enemies that attack Israel do perish.
 

Cameron143

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Besides being a very lame explanation and besides the fact that Rome was not one of the countries listed, according to Psalm 83 after the war (which you are interpreting as 70 AD) it would not ever happen again, which means it has been proven false since it is happening in 2023 and 2024.
It actually doesn't say there will not be more wars. David is asking God that there would be no more wars forever.
And even if it does mean that, God in Christ has already accomplished all that is necessary for it to be so.
Also, having already assented that the OT is filled with signs and types and shadows, why isn't this Psalm to be understood this way?
 

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Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the Lord in his appointed season among the children of Israel?

8 And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the Lord will command concerning you.

9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord.

11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.
How is that different (so as to make it a second Passover)?
 

ZNP

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How is that different (so as to make it a second Passover)?
The first Passover is Nisan 14, the second Passover is on Iyyar 14. If you are unclean and unable to partake of the first passover you can get a second chance on the second passover. However, the second passover takes place when Jesus, the man who has gone on a long trip, returns.

Being unclean is touching a dead body. If you were a Jew in a dead religion that kept you from participating in the first Passover you get a second chance when Jesus returns from His long trip.
 

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The first Passover is Nisan 14, the second Passover is on Iyyar 14. If you are unclean and unable to partake of the first passover you can get a second chance on the second passover. However, the second passover takes place when Jesus, the man who has gone on a long trip, returns.

Being unclean is touching a dead body. If you were a Jew in a dead religion that kept you from
participating in the first Passover you get a second chance when Jesus returns from His long trip.
Ah, so it is the 14th of the second month, not the first? I see. Thank you for pointing that out.
 

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OK, but the Old covenant prophesied He would come meek and mild rising on a donkey and that He would come in glory. So only half of the prophesied coming of the Messiah has been fulfilled.
Clearly. @Cameron143 is dismissing all of this.
But he is dismissing more. Much much more.

There is the conquest of Joshua/Jericho/Caanan (an undeniable type of the SC in glory).
Then there is Daniel chapters 2, 7, 9, and 12 etc. All of this must come to pass.
And then of course all of the major and minor prophets. They have been kicked the curb.
And then the vast majority of the book of Revelation.
And then all of the NT passages pertaining to this topic.

The truth is that all of these books/passages say the same thing:
The end of the Church age, the rapture, the tribulation, the repentance of Israel, the SC of Christ in glory,
and then the redemption and salvation of the Nation Israel.
Who will enter the millennial Kingdom in newness of life, recommissioned to undertake their original mandate.
 

cv5

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The first Passover is Nisan 14, the second Passover is on Iyyar 14. If you are unclean and unable to partake of the first passover you can get a second chance on the second passover. However, the second passover takes place when Jesus, the man who has gone on a long trip, returns.

Being unclean is touching a dead body. If you were a Jew in a dead religion that kept you from participating in the first Passover you get a second chance when Jesus returns from His long trip.
Actually.....no. I do not know where that came from, but it is unbiblical.

um 9:10
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
 

ZNP

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Actually.....no. I do not know where that came from, but it is unbiblical.

um 9:10
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the Lord in his appointed season among the children of Israel?

8 And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the Lord will command concerning you.

9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord.

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The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.

Yes, it is Biblical
 

cv5

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Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the Lord in his appointed season among the children of Israel?

8 And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the Lord will command concerning you.

9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord.

11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.

Yes, it is Biblical
Excellent. Forgot that verse 11. Been a while. Good job buddy.
 

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Kamala is not the only one going into the political opposition's home turf this week as Trump has gone to deep blue NYC visiting black owned businesses and the area. Though not an assassiantion attempt there was yet another massive breach of security seemingly allowed or enabled by the democrats as a a pro-muslim protestors is able to breach security and demonstrate against Trump for his anti-semitic lost cause.


Looking past the sensational breach of security though comparing Trump's walk into the lion's den versus Kamala's is very stark. Kamala melts downs at pretty minor pressure even after rigging the setting as much as possible by showing up late and fillibustering and blustering. Kamala's greater spiritual dynamic is ruining families and doing everything God hates with a certain evil air of impunity, even directly she has homewrecked at least two known black families and one white family even! Trump on the other hand walks into the Bronx barbershop with all confidence and carries with him a degree of respect even if it is unlikely NY will vote for him he shows up without contrivance. It goes by unnoticed in the media, but I really like the part here we catch Trump doing as the prophecy of Malachi says and turns the hearts of the fathers to their sons and one valiant black dad is proud of his son who is following in his trade and also honors the father. Trump is putting off the bro energy hard here, he is the clear choice if you want America to be blessed again by God.


The only real disappointment here with Trump is that he didn't turn this meme into a dream when he had the perfect opportunity to do so, but we can pretend.

 

SonJudgment

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Well the prelude of the pressers before the Joe Rogan interview duel continues now on the side of the Trump. After his visit to the Bronx earlier he is in NY to attend the Al Smith dinner, a long held American tradition where the presidential candidates both get roasted at the dinner by comedians. Kamala has interestingly chosen to break with precedent and decline to attend the roast and so Trump will be the main target, he at the same time will be the only one that actually shows up to take on the trial of democracy.

Broadcast is a livestream as of the posting

 

ZNP

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Well the prelude of the pressers before the Joe Rogan interview duel continues now on the side of the Trump. After his visit to the Bronx earlier he is in NY to attend the Al Smith dinner, a long held American tradition where the presidential candidates both get roasted at the dinner by comedians. Kamala has interestingly chosen to break with precedent and decline to attend the roast and so Trump will be the main target, he at the same time will be the only one that actually shows up to take on the trial of democracy.

Broadcast is a livestream as of the posting

The MC was very funny, it seems like it is OK to tell jokes again.
 

SonJudgment

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The MC was very funny, it seems like it is OK to tell jokes again.
The leftwing headline gonna be crying about how Trump's only racist joke was about white dudes for Harris lol.
 

SonJudgment

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Here since it occurs to me that the FOX livestream is of really poor quality actually since it was live and you can't hear Trump so well here is a better repost of the entire Al Smith Dinner Roast as well as a little pre-show by another podcaster that if ya'll like DeVory you might like Barry, he is really good and been around for a while though his audience is more niche and old school, but you guys might find interesting, he's a bit older too so more of ya'll generation. The quality of the broadcast though is far superior and improved, gotta criticize FOX a lil fairly, since this has been like their week to handle the campaigns among the mainstreamers, but man they gotta invest in some new equipment.