Let's talk Satan, demons, it's powers

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Hakawaka

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I would argue he has only the power that he has been given.

When Jesus is shown all the kingdoms and the devil offers them to him, why do people assume the devil is speaking the truth? God is the one who has the power to set up kings and dispose of them, according to the Scriptures.
 

Cameron143

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Jacko,

the devil has dominion over the world until Jesus comes back but God is still ruler of the universe.

As for demons, the most common thing that demons do is keep people distracted see in quiet this is where God speaks with us.

the next thing is putting thoughts in your head with me its just random bad thoughts that pop out of nowhere that's the devil. saying you want to do something then suddenly thinking you can't that a demon. then there are disgusting thoughts and you're like wow where did that come from? do this but I would never do that or say that but i would never say that. there in your head so you think those thoughts are yours. there not. thank goodness theirs a way for them to mostly leave you alone constantly reading scripture. I say 'get thee hence' and I also put more crosses up in the house but I still have bad dreams occasionally.

I know this sounds wild but when i prayed when i was younger i felt like someone was literally pushing me.

also, Someone with many demons like Charlie Manson made the school bus fly. these people are so demon-possessed that they are
outright lunatics.

People want to make demons and the devil more powerful than they are but God will always win.
Why do you believe Satan has power over the earth still? Jesus holds the keys to death and hell since the cross. He is building His church since Pentecost and said the gates of hell will not prevail against it. He also says He has all power and authority. Doesn't sound to me like Satan has dominion.
 

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Not everyone undergoes the dramatic version of demon possession
portrayed by Hollywood, but for sure everybody, without exception,
undergoes the subtle version of demon possession portrayed by the Bible.

Eph 2:1-3 . . As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in
which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the
ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who
are disobedient.

2Tim 2:23-26 . .The Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be
kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he
must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance
leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their
senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to
do his will.

1John 5:19 . .We know that we are children of God, and that the whole
world is under the control of the evil one.

The version of demon possession discussed in those passages is sort of like
the Matrix wherein Morpheus told Neo that people can't see their situation
till they're out of it. I just have to wonder sometimes how many people
talking about the Devil are manipulated by his spirit-world minions and don't
know it.
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homwardbound

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Satan can not be everywhere at once. He is not omniscient like God. There is only 1 Satan, how many demons are there? Billions? Trillions???? millions?? There multi trillions of celestial stars... There are only 8.2 billion humans. Satan can not directly kill right? He can only deceive and trick, lie manipulate. If there are trillions of demons, there could be 10x each demons to attach each nonbeliever like a guardian demon or inverse of guardian angel.

What powers do his demons have? What powers do they exactly possess. Grant wishes to witches, etc etc? Satan said to Jesus, if you worship me, I will give you the entire earthly Kingdoms, so what can Satan exactly do and how can he do? What can he soley do and what can his demons do? Must all the demons submit to Satan? If you have Christ, demons cant inhabit you right, but they can still trick you.

I remember when I was a kid, I played a game called Dungeons and Dragons.. and basically there labels of Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil.. Chaotic evil being the worst, because you were evil but unpredictable and self serving.

I found Jesus 25+ years ago. how did Satan trick me for so long to go away... maybe that's another thread. haha
One day as the angels[d] came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan, the Accuser, came with them.

“Where have you come from?” the Lord asked Satan.

And Satan replied, “From earth, where I’ve been watching everything that’s going on.”

Then the Lord asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth—a good man[e] who fears God and will have nothing to do with evil.”

“Why shouldn’t he when you pay him so well?” Satan scoffed. “You have always protected him and his home and his property from all harm. You have prospered everything he does—look how rich he is! No wonder he ‘worships’ you! But just take away his wealth, and you’ll see him curse you to your face!”

And the Lord replied to Satan, “You may do anything you like with his wealth, but don’t harm him physically.”

So Satan went away; and sure enough, not long afterwards when Job’s sons and daughters were dining at the oldest brother’s house, tragedy struck.


Note: Satan, Evil has to get permission! Therefore as born again from God through Son, we can rejoice, ice at troubles can't we?

I have been through them too, and many are going through and som will syill go through them while here on earth.
Comparing here to Eternity, I see to stand in trust to Gods no mater what troubles come along, the same as Job did. Loving the last Chapter, hating the world counselors, and seeing not to get proud as if I am better than others ever. I am not, I need God 24/7 daily, how about anyone else?
 

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Satan can not be everywhere at once. He is not omniscient like God. There is only 1 Satan, how many demons are there? Billions? Trillions???? millions?? There multi trillions of celestial stars... There are only 8.2 billion humans. Satan can not directly kill right? He can only deceive and trick, lie manipulate. If there are trillions of demons, there could be 10x each demons to attach each nonbeliever like a guardian demon or inverse of guardian angel.

What powers do his demons have? What powers do they exactly possess. Grant wishes to witches, etc etc? Satan said to Jesus, if you worship me, I will give you the entire earthly Kingdoms, so what can Satan exactly do and how can he do? What can he soley do and what can his demons do? Must all the demons submit to Satan? If you have Christ, demons cant inhabit you right, but they can still trick you.

I remember when I was a kid, I played a game called Dungeons and Dragons.. and basically there labels of Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil.. Chaotic evil being the worst, because you were evil but unpredictable and self serving.

I found Jesus 25+ years ago. how did Satan trick me for so long to go away... maybe that's another thread. haha
Well the word of God says the devil comes but to KILL, steal, and destroy. Jesus said he was a murderer from the beginning.

61 million abortions in America, he kills.

Fear is the one they have and deception.
 

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Satan can not be everywhere at once.
its a very real biblical subject to discuss

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: ( he’s a deceiver of mankind ) he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9, 17‬ ‭KJV‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: ( he is active against Gods people ) whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we repent and start to fill our hearts with the things of God found in the gospel believing him it will humble us and draw us near to God because we believe

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. ( he’s Wiley and active against Gods children)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

( we’re in a struggle against evil in the world )

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-

We have been well equipped to make a stand against the enemy ! informed of a battle plan and equipped with armor and weapons of light to overcome, if we ever make the decision to resist. If we ever repent and become humble before the lord we’ll be prepared and equipped for battle and victory in his name
 

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One day as the angels[d] came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan, the Accuser, came with them.

“Where have you come from?” the Lord asked Satan.

And Satan replied, “From earth, where I’ve been watching everything that’s going on.”

Then the Lord asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth—a good man[e] who fears God and will have nothing to do with evil.”

“Why shouldn’t he when you pay him so well?” Satan scoffed. “You have always protected him and his home and his property from all harm. You have prospered everything he does—look how rich he is! No wonder he ‘worships’ you! But just take away his wealth, and you’ll see him curse you to your face!”

And the Lord replied to Satan, “You may do anything you like with his wealth, but don’t harm him physically.”

So Satan went away; and sure enough, not long afterwards when Job’s sons and daughters were dining at the oldest brother’s house, tragedy struck.

Note: Satan, Evil has to get permission! Therefore as born again from God through Son, we can rejoice, ice at troubles can't we?

I have been through them too, and many are going through and som will syill go through them while here on earth.
Comparing here to Eternity, I see to stand in trust to Gods no mater what troubles come along, the same as Job did. Loving the last Chapter, hating the world counselors, and seeing not to get proud as if I am better than others ever. I am not, I need God 24/7 daily, how about anyone else?
Now the New Testament

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now n heaven with God we don’t have an accuser we have an intercessor and mediator and advocate

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭

satan is no longer allowed to accuse man before God as with job
 

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Why do you believe Satan has power over the earth still? Jesus holds the keys to death and hell since the cross. He is building His church since Pentecost and said the gates of hell will not prevail against it. He also says He has all power and authority. Doesn't sound to me like Satan has dominion.

I believe he still has power over the nonbelievers and non saved, atheist, Muslims, etc.
 

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Surely other evil and nasty powerful, demons other than Satan,… the name jsut isn’t known too… roaming the earth too and from..
 

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I believe he still has power over the nonbelievers and non saved, atheist, Muslims, etc.
If he does, how is it that Jesus can snatch them out of his grasp and save them at any time?
 

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I believe he still has power over the nonbelievers and non saved, atheist, Muslims, etc.
“And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:

and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:2-4, 7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

indeed notice the transfer of power from Satan to the beast and his many heads but the dragon is being worshipped and his Will was to go to war with the remnant of saints and church . And even as the latter beast appears it’s still the power and Will of the dragon operating in those beasts ( men )

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:11-12, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can see the worldwide and perpetual nature of this and how these things are spiritual in nature and affect us through the natural and material
 

jacko

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If he does, how is it that Jesus can snatch them out of his grasp and save them at any time?


Sure, I believe Jesus can save anyone he chooses at any time and I’ve heard seen many beautiful stories of Muslims encountering Jesus and Atheist encountering Jesus, but let’s keep it 100% real.. it’s not the norm, and I feel so blessed beyond words to know Jesus and to come from a nOn Christian family. You have entire nations like Saudi where Christianity is 0.1%.
 

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Islam is a fake copy cat religion invented by the devil. Its roots are strong and deep.
 

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95% of India and China alone are going to hell…, 3 billion peeps right there…so so sad…Decevied by Satan
 

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I do believe we need to separate what is caused by Satan and what is caused by original sin… any insights?
 

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“God gave us love.. Satan gave us lust.. clever old being over 6,000 years old with wisdom of human understanding far beyond”……bishop Mar Mari..
 

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If he does, how is it that Jesus can snatch them out of his grasp and save them at any time?
“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s an invitation to anyone who will respond notice he never forces them abducting them against thier Will he’s patient and invites them many times calling for them to come but some refuse the invitation not by his Will but by thier own

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

( he invites of his Will and they refuse of thier Will )

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

(he sends another more enticing invite mentioning the food and celebration )

But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: ( they chose other worldly things )

and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. ( now they are tormenting and killing the messengers )

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: ( he becomes angry because of what they did )

and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

( he destroys them all for it and then sends the invite out to everyone since the chosen ones weren’t worthy )

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now there’s no chosen group but e everyone is invited and e wry one can freely reject the invite or accept it

“And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s provided a great celebration ahead and the invites have been mailed everyone is invited but not everyone will choose to attend some will choose the world
 

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Sure, I believe Jesus can save anyone he chooses at any time and I’ve heard seen many beautiful stories of Muslims encountering Jesus and Atheist encountering Jesus, but let’s keep it 100% real.. it’s not the norm, and I feel so blessed beyond words to know Jesus and to come from a nOn Christian family. You have entire nations like Saudi where Christianity is 0.1%.
My point is that despite what Satan might do, Jesus possesses all power and all authority. Satan is impotent in relation to Christ. There is a day coming when every knee shall bow before Jesus and the multitudes of heaven are representative of every nation, tribe, kindred, and tongue. The earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord and the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.
 

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“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s an invitation to anyone who will respond notice he never forces them abducting them against thier Will he’s patient and invites them many times calling for them to come but some refuse the invitation not by his Will but by thier own

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

( he invites of his Will and they refuse of thier Will )

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

(he sends another more enticing invite mentioning the food and celebration )

But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: ( they chose other worldly things )

and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. ( now they are tormenting and killing the messengers )

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: ( he becomes angry because of what they did )

and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

( he destroys them all for it and then sends the invite out to everyone since the chosen ones weren’t worthy )

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now there’s no chosen group but e everyone is invited and e wry one can freely reject the invite or accept it

“And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s provided a great celebration ahead and the invites have been mailed everyone is invited but not everyone will choose to attend some will choose the world
None of this mitigates the impotency of Satan or the power of the resurrected Christ.
 

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I do believe we need to separate what is caused by Satan and what is caused by original sin… any insights?
Original sin was caused by satans deception of thier mind so my thought is that Satan deceived man and then man was corrupted by the knowledge of good and evil and began operating by that corrupt Will it’s like a snare set within us by Satan

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We don’t realize it but when we are sinning of our own corrupt will we’re serving satans Will in the world

satan is a spiritual being what he does is approach man tbrough our minds and hearts corruption and tempts us to die believe Gods word and instead follow his word


sin is a result of man’s corruption that was originally caused by satans deception so their sort of connected is my thought