JESUS CHRIST VS PROPHET MOHAMMAD

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massorite

massorite

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UnoiAmarah said:
What you call 'spiritual significance' others consider to be 'divination'.


So are Christians, heck even Americans are taught different things about the United States depending upon what area of the country.


So do you know the name of the Son of God Divi filius who sat on the throne that ruled all the world before Jesus was born? (It is written in the scriptures)

Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. Luke 2:1
(You don't tax all the world unless you rule over all the world.)
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Don't be twisting my words satan. What you call 'spiritual significance' others consider to be 'divination'. I didn't say it was good. I said it was spiritually significant in the Islamic World.
You are way out in space about the number 19 in the Islamic world because it hasn't got anything to do with "Divination" and everything to do with representing the oneness of Allah.
Number Nineteen (19) plays an important role in the structure of the Quran. The numerical value of the Arabic word واحد (Wahid) which means "One" is 19. Thus, number 19 represents the Oneness of God which is a very important doctrine in Islam.
LOL you are dead wrong about your so uneducated understanding of what the number 19 represents to Muslims.
Your next post also comes from the mind of a person who has been influenced by satan. So are Christians, heck even Americans are taught different things about the United States depending upon what area of the country.
I never said Christians weren't taught different things so what if your point? I guess I need to rewrite this so a third grader can understand it just for you. All Muslims read from the same Quran even though they are taught different things diffrerntly around the world and the same goes for Christians. They all read from the same Bible. Besides that fact that you are making something out of nothing, What is you point??

So do you know the name of the Son of God (Divi Filius) who sat on the throne that ruled all the world before Jesus was born? (It is written in the scriptures)
So now you are not only trying to twist my words but you are trying to twist the very Word of God so that just because the Word of God speaks about the Son of God that it is representative of paganism??? GET THE BEHIND ME SATAN because a pagan man made diety is not what the Word of God is talking about when the one and only true and living Son of God is talking about
I don't know what world you live on but in my world there has always been, still is and always will be only one true Son of God and His name I Christ. Divi Filius was nothing more then just a man who claimed to be the son of A god and was a man made deity made up by himself. He was a figment of hie own imagination. It was also a title given to succeeding emperors of Rome.
Other forms of paganism were not even a topic in this forum so where are you coming from my little space cadet from outer space?
 
chanchuinchoy

chanchuinchoy

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Beware, there are many chatters here in CC, thinks that he knows a lot about islam, but to me, a christian born and bred in a muslim county like Malaysia, thinks that the pesons talks rubbish. As Chinese has a saying, now a little bit but wants t be a master.
 
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GWH

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chanchuinchoy said:
I am incline to start another post explaining between prophet Mohammad and Jesus Christ which I believe a lot of you especially the westerners have misunderstood or mis-statement, probably blinded by the works of Satan.

Firstly, the prophet Mohammad that I came to know about was a messenger of God. He was NOT God. Kindly take note that there is a difference between a messenger and God himself.

Secondly, according to what I've learned and validated with my muslim friends, prophet Muhammad was NOT a murderer as claimed by some westerners. Actually, he was only a pedophilia, not terrorist or extremist. He married Aishah as his third and youngest wives when Aishah was six year old and had sex with her.Today, the muslims rape their daughters, nieces, sisters, girls at young age hoping that this act could purify them. This is absurd but its their belief, why judge them. I am very confident that God will not overlook this sin and will bring justice when time comes.

Just like in Christianity, there is protestant and catholic. Likewise, the muslim have sunni, (moderate ones) and shiite, (radical ones). In my country Malaysia, the government of the day are predominantly sunni muslims, followed by Buddist, Hinduism and Christianity while the shiite muslim together with other Buddist and Hinduism became the opposition. The sunni muslims are the ones that I am talking about being peaceful and loving. Just like protestants and catholics were called Christians so did the sunni and shiite, both are called muslims.

Here again, I wish to reiterate my earlier comment that the IS and all known terrorst, extremist that carried out merciless attack on Christians as well as muslims soil are individual muslims who have their own agenda. In order to get support for their agenda, they deceived their other muslims brotherhood with assurance that what they are doing is justice and holy. The muslim girls and women became their sexual partner beside those women captured by them. Couple of months ago, our newspaper carried a report on few muslim womens declaring that they would be willing to give their body to the muslims brotherhood in IS to satisfy their sexual urge. These women were immediately arrested by the police and charged in civil court for prostituting, which is illegal here as per civil law. My guess is that in order for them to escape being jailed, they will declare that they are muslims and therefore not under civil but syariah court, which enforce muslim laws.

Some of the chatters here in Christian Chat, commented and claimed that I am not a Christian and rather a muslim because of my defense on muslims. They tested me to see whether Iam what I said Iam. Some even ask me to proof to them. I am not going to do that and might start an argument with you later on. Not that Iam afraid but because it is against the rules and regulations in this chat which I respect whole heartedly.

Before I conclude, I wish to inform some of you here that by the way you response to thread, your words do reflect on you. Make sure you do these daily;
1) read at least 1 chapter of the bible.
2) pray.
3) memorize at least 1 important bible verse that will remind you instantly when you need to make a decision.

ALSO;
4) Join a church and go to sunday service weekly.
5) Join bible study weekly once.
6) Join cell group weekly.
God can assure if you do these you will see a different life. God Bless.
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And I think few people including Mohammad understood the difference between a prophet and Messiah/Christ.

Christianity is God’s bridge uniting monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.) rather than a wall separating them. This truth is derived from a statement by the apostle Paul (in 1TM 2:3-4) indicating that Yahweh/God/Allah loves all people and wants everyone to love each other as one happy spiritual family or fellowship, and He is grieved when people who claim to believe in Him quarrel (Ephesians 4:30-31).

When Judaism was reformed by Jesus and his apostles, Paul taught (in RM 2:28-29, 4:16-17 & GL 3:29) that what matters is not the religion of our parents, but whether each of us has faith like Abraham in the one true God. A spiritual Jew loves God (DT 6:4-5), a true Christian loves God and humanity (MT 22:37-40), and a genuine Muslim serves God by cooperating with His plan of salvation (MT 24:45 & 25:21). Theists can be Jewish, Christian and Muslim, because Christianity is God’s solution/plan for peace in the world (EPH 2:11-22).

The purpose of Judaism was to provide the heritage for Messiah for the benefit of all people (RM 3:21-31, 9:4-5a, IS 42:1-6, GN 22:18, DT 9:5-6), and the initial intent of Islam (stated by the Qur’an in Surah 2:89) was “confirming” God’s previous revelations to the Jews and Christians (the OT & NT). When Jews became Messianic, Paul and Peter agreed that they could follow the old Jewish customs that did not contradict faith in Jesus as Lord (ACTS 15:5-29 & GL 2:15-16). Because everything good and true is from God (JM 1:27), accepting Jesus as Messiah does not mean rejecting what is good and true in one’s pre-Christian experience or culture. (But it DOES mean rejecting child abuse and slavery or forced conversions as sinful!)

The relationship between Jesus, Moses and Mohammed needs to be harmonized. Paul wrote (in 1TM 2:5): “For there is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, the man Christ [Messiah] Jesus.” This verse clearly indicates that the Christian concept known as the Trinity should not be understood as contradicting faith in one God. Similarly, calling Messiah “God’s Son” should not be understood as contradicting the humanity of Jesus (HB 2:17), the one God ordained to die unjustly as payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity. God relates to humanity in three primary ways: as the Creator or Father over all, as the Holy Spirit (cf. Surah 2:87) within believers, and as the human Messiah/Jesus with humanity (Immanuel in MT 1:23).

Thus, Muslims–like Jews–may accept Jesus as Messiah with the understanding that the Mosaic laws Islamic five pillars do not contradict the Christian gospel of salvation. In the OT God established a covenant with Abraham (GN 15:18, 17:2) by which “all nations on earth will be blessed” (GN 8:18), Jeremiah revealed that the Mosaic covenant would be superseded by a new covenant (JR31:31, cf. HB 7:18-10:1), and Isaiah associated the new covenant with Messiah, “my chosen one”, who would also be “a light for the Gentiles” (IS 42:1,6&9, 49:5-6&8, 59:20-60:3, 61:1 & 62:2&11). "Gentiles" or non-Jews includes Muslims. God’s “chosen people” potentially includes everyone in the world who satisfies His requirement for salvation by seeking truth and finding Messiah (EPH 2:11-3:6, RM 10:1-11:32). [Whether or not the physical nation of Israel will play some political role before the end/eschaton is another issue.]

In EPH 3:1-6, note that world peace through the gospel of Christ was a “mystery” until Paul received a divine revelation. As Paul wrote in 1CR 2:7-8, “We speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” Thus, although with hindsight we can see how Old Testament scriptures foreshadowed Christ, we should not expect that they specifically prophesied the New Testament Gospel (although Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 are quite impressive). In summary, the evidence of individual reformation or accepting God’s will and cooperating with Him is manifesting love for everyone including enemies, which is the opposite of that held by those claiming to believe in God/Allah who are grieving Him by terrorizing humanity. And just as Jesus reformed Judaism and Protestants reformed Catholicism, so Islam needs reformation, so that the world may be one spiritually, in answer to Jesus' prayer in John 17:15-23.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
I am incline to start another post explaining between prophet Mohammad and Jesus Christ which I believe a lot of you especially the westerners have misunderstood or mis-statement, probably blinded by the works of Satan.

Firstly, the prophet Mohammad that I came to know about was a messenger of God. He was NOT God. Kindly take note that there is a difference between a messenger and God himself.

Secondly, according to what I've learned and validated with my muslim friends, prophet Muhammad was NOT a murderer as claimed by some westerners. Actually, he was only a pedophilia, not terrorist or extremist. He married Aishah as his third and youngest wives when Aishah was six year old and had sex with her.Today, the muslims rape their daughters, nieces, sisters, girls at young age hoping that this act could purify them. This is absurd but its their belief, why judge them. I am very confident that God will not overlook this sin and will bring justice when time comes.

Just like in Christianity, there is protestant and catholic. Likewise, the muslim have sunni, (moderate ones) and shiite, (radical ones). In my country Malaysia, the government of the day are predominantly sunni muslims, followed by Buddist, Hinduism and Christianity while the shiite muslim together with other Buddist and Hinduism became the opposition. The sunni muslims are the ones that I am talking about being peaceful and loving. Just like protestants and catholics were called Christians so did the sunni and shiite, both are called muslims.

Here again, I wish to reiterate my earlier comment that the IS and all known terrorst, extremist that carried out merciless attack on Christians as well as muslims soil are individual muslims who have their own agenda. In order to get support for their agenda, they deceived their other muslims brotherhood with assurance that what they are doing is justice and holy. The muslim girls and women became their sexual partner beside those women captured by them. Couple of months ago, our newspaper carried a report on few muslim womens declaring that they would be willing to give their body to the muslims brotherhood in IS to satisfy their sexual urge. These women were immediately arrested by the police and charged in civil court for prostituting, which is illegal here as per civil law. My guess is that in order for them to escape being jailed, they will declare that they are muslims and therefore not under civil but syariah court, which enforce muslim laws.

Some of the chatters here in Christian Chat, commented and claimed that I am not a Christian and rather a muslim because of my defense on muslims. They tested me to see whether Iam what I said Iam. Some even ask me to proof to them. I am not going to do that and might start an argument with you later on. Not that Iam afraid but because it is against the rules and regulations in this chat which I respect whole heartedly.

Before I conclude, I wish to inform some of you here that by the way you response to thread, your words do reflect on you. Make sure you do these daily;
1) read at least 1 chapter of the bible.
2) pray.
3) memorize at least 1 important bible verse that will remind you instantly when you need to make a decision.

ALSO;
4) Join a church and go to sunday service weekly.
5) Join bible study weekly once.
6) Join cell group weekly.
God can assure if you do these you will see a different life. God Bless.
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You say rightly the Muslims' beliefs about Muhammad, but you share the other side of you post, who Jesus is. His claims are in the Gospel of John clearly.
 
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