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God could end the Sabbath if He wanted. Sure He is God, but did He? Show me one verse by God that He abrogated His commandment before His death that ratified His covenant- It Is Finished- nothing can be changed.
It's not a matter of whether the sabbath exists or not, or if we pay attention to it or not, or if the 4th commandment even still exists or not. It's matter of whether or not the 4th commandment exerts any authority over those who are baptized into Christ's death. Laws do not, cannot, exert authority over dead people.

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Romans 7:4

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7:6

The word 'delivered' above means entirely idle, or useless. In other words, our death in Christ has rendered the law entirely without force or authority over us

G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-ar-ǰe'-ō) v.
1. to be entirely idle (useless).
2. to render entirely idle (useless).

So if the enemy can't use the law to condemn us for not observing a particular day of the week, what's the point of paying attention to it apart from personal preference or faith?
 
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The. Sabbath was proved it started at Creation by God’s own Testimony Exo 20:11 and no sacrifices are in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:8-11 so no the Sabbath is not connected to sacrifices according to God. The sacrificial system came after the fall of man, not before. Where are sacrifices at Creation?

Did the Israelites make sacrifices on the Sabbath, yes, they made sacrifices daily for sin, but that does not mean the Sabbath is connected to sacrifices.

Let’s take a look at some examples….

Jesus who is our example to follow in His footsteps, did He make sacrifices on the Sabbath?

Jesus kept the Sabbath…..where did He make sacrifices on the Sabbath. He kept it by going to the synagogues reading the Word of God.

Luke 4;16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

The Sabbath rest was according to the commandment in the NC Luke 23:56 and nothing in the commandment about sacrifices.

God could end the Sabbath if He wanted. Sure He is God, but did He? Show me one verse by God that He abrogated His commandment before His death that ratified His covenant- It Is Finished- nothing can be changed.

Christ in His own Words said the Sabbath would not end decades after His death Mat 24:20 and for eternity Isa 66:22-23 because He promised not to edit the words of His covenant Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18.

The apostles kept every Sabbath decades after His death in the same manner Jesus did. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44

I believe your disagreement is with the Text, not with me.
I disagree that the Sabbath law was mandated for everyone from Adam to Moses.

The Sabbath is connected to Christ's sacrifice per HB 7:22-8:13.

Jesus abrogated the Mosaic Sabbatarian law by saying, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath... Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." (MT 12:8&12) "It is finished" refers to his culminating, ending and abrogating the amoral OT laws.

I disagree with your interpretation that in MT 24:20 Jesus commands his followers to observe Saturday as holy. The apostles met on the Sabbath until Sunday replaced it as the preferred day.

I do NOT disagree with the Text that says:

"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike... Let us stop passing judgment on one another." (RM 14:5 & 13)

"Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (CL 2:16-17)
 
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I disagree that the Sabbath law was mandated for everyone from Adam to Moses.

The Sabbath is connected to Christ's sacrifice per HB 7:22-8:13.

Jesus abrogated the Mosaic Sabbatarian law by saying, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath... Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." (MT 12:8&12) "It is finished" refers to his culminating, ending and abrogating the amoral OT laws.

I disagree with your interpretation that in MT 24:20 Jesus commands his followers to observe Saturday as holy. The apostles met on the Sabbath until Sunday replaced it as the preferred day.

I do NOT disagree with the Text that says:

"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike... Let us stop passing judgment on one another." (RM 14:5 & 13)

"Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system] are a shadow of the things that were to come [the New Covenant]; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (CL 2:16-17)
Can you point to one verse that says the laws that God said He wrote in the hearts of His people, excluded the one commandment God said to Remember and is holy and blessed by God?

Nothing in Heb 7:22-8:13 says this. It appears to be your own personal interptation, not expressed in God’s holy Word. We have warnings about this in my opinion we should take more serious.

God’s law includes the Sabbath thus saith the Lord. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Exodus 20 Exodus 20:8-11 Exo 20:6. Why the Sabbath is all over the NC scriptures, still a commandment Luke 23:56 instead of being deleted.

If you come accorss the verse that says the Sabbath was abrogated by God thus saith the Lord since only He can remove His blessing and sanctification, let me know. From cover to cover God repeatedly tells us not to profane His Sabbath as it is really profanning God Eze 22:26 His gift to humanity so we always know where we came from and who created us in His image and likeness to follow. Him.

I guess until then we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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Can you point to one verse that says the laws that God said He wrote in the hearts of His people, excluded the one commandment God said to Remember and is holy and blessed by God?
The purpose for the sabbath was to be a sign to Israel that they might know God was sanctifying them.

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20:12

Sabbath observance was required by the letter (of the law) in order to achieve that end because since Israel did not have the indwelling spirit they needed sabbath observances to take their minds off of the world and onto God.

We do have the spirit of God indwelling us, so a day of observance is not needed to know that God is sanctifying us. Those who walk after the spirit know it every moment of every day. Therefore, the purpose or righteousness of the 4th commandment is fulfilled in those who walk after the spirit, not after the letter. So the spirit of the 4th commandment is what matters; the letter has become useless except for instructional purposes.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Romans 8:2-6.
 
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The 4th commandment has become a stumbling block to carnally minded sabbatarians because they haven't learned to distinguish between the spirit of the law (righteous purpose or effect) and the letter of the law (carnal observance). Every other commandment they can fit into the two great commandments, ie love God and your neighbor as yourself, but not the 4th commandment because they don't see the spirit behind the letter, which is love of God
 

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The 4th commandment has become a stumbling block to carnally minded sabbatarians because they haven't learned to distinguish between the spirit of the law (righteous purpose or effect) and the letter of the law (carnal observance). Every other commandment they can fit into the two great commandments, ie love God and your neighbor as yourself, but not the 4th commandment because they don't see the spirit behind the letter, which is love of God
That’s a rather narrow and judgemental summation. You should consider giving the Sabbath a try, after all it was blessed after it was created on the 7th day. Why not spend 24 hours with Jesus once a week and see if your conclusion changes?
See you in church.
 
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That’s a rather narrow and judgemental summation. You should consider giving the Sabbath a try, after all it was blessed after it was created on the 7th day. Why not spend 24 hours with Jesus once a week and see if your conclusion changes?
See you in church.
I have. I used to go to a messianic church. Never noticed any difference. It's the spirit that matters, not the day of the week
 

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2Cor. 3:
4 Such is the confidence we have toward God through Christ. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
 

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I have. I used to go to a messianic church. Never noticed any difference. It's the spirit that matters, not the day of the week
Obedience to God matters to Him, see in the bible what happens to those who obey him, do his will and those who do not, knowingly so,

Here are a very few sample for you disbelievers, @Sipsey @GWH

Matthew 13:30 ;
"Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, ‘First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.’"

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 (NKJV):
"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live, that you may love the Lord your God, obey His voice, and cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days..."

John 14:15 (NKJV):
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV):
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."


Time is short repent, Obey the Lord follow His eternal commandments!
 
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Can you point to one verse that says the laws that God said He wrote in the hearts of His people, excluded the one commandment God said to Remember and is holy and blessed by God?

Nothing in Heb 7:22-8:13 says this. It appears to be your own personal interptation, not expressed in God’s holy Word. We have warnings about this in my opinion we should take more serious.

God’s law includes the Sabbath thus saith the Lord. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Exodus 20 Exodus 20:8-11 Exo 20:6. Why the Sabbath is all over the NC scriptures, still a commandment Luke 23:56 instead of being deleted.

If you come accorss the verse that says the Sabbath was abrogated by God thus saith the Lord since only He can remove His blessing and sanctification, let me know. From cover to cover God repeatedly tells us not to profane His Sabbath as it is really profanning God Eze 22:26 His gift to humanity so we always know where we came from and who created us in His image and likeness to follow. Him.

I guess until then we will have to agree to disagree.
Probably, although CL 2:16-17 seems clear enough to me: "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system called the first covenant in Hebrews] are a shadow of the things that were to come [called the New Covenant in Hebrews]; the reality, however, is found in Christ." IOW, now that the New Covenant has been ordained, it is permissible but not necessary to follow Mosaic laws about circumcision or the Sabbath as long as they are not viewed as salvific works per ACTS 15:5f.
 
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Probably, although CL 2:16-17 seems clear enough to me: "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These [the Mosaic sacrificial system called the first covenant in Hebrews] are a shadow of the things that were to come [called the New Covenant in Hebrews]; the reality, however, is found in Christ." IOW, now that the New Covenant has been ordained, it is permissible but not necessary to follow Mosaic laws about circumcision or the Sabbath as long as they are not viewed as salvific works per ACTS 15:5f.
Sure, if we remove the context, we can make the Bible say anything we want, but in the end, we are not being sanctified by God’s Truth. Paul carefully explained the law he is referring to- ordinances, handwritten, contrary and against which is definitely not the Sabbath commandment, written by the finger of God, that is holy and blessed, which does translate into contrary and against. Paul made it clear he was refereeing to the annual sabbath feast days, holy days that are about food and drink offerings the context of the passage. The Sabbath started at Creation, when God made everything perfect before the fall And it continues for eternity for His saints Isa 66:22-23 thus saith the Lord.

Paul’s writings came with a pretty stern warning 2 Peter 3:16. I am sure Paul would be mortified with what people have done to his teachings countermanding God the way people pit his writings against Jesus and even his own. He didn’t even follow what you are trying to teach as he faithfully kept every Sabbath 30-40 decades after the Cross, thats a lot of Sabbath-keeping, but God’s faithful remnant keep God’s commandments- His version, not what was changed by man
 
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2Cor. 3:
4 Such is the confidence we have toward God through Christ. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Here’s an article that breaks this tough to understand passage for those interested in more in-depth study. Paul is not to be read lightly.

THE CHARGE

Paul says in 2 Cor. 3 that the Ten Commandments, which was written in stone (verse 3) were a ministration of death and condemnation that was abolished.

THE SHORT ANSWER

Since the law was written in the hearts of the Corinthians, and they literally became living, moving and walking epistles, it follows that the Law was not abolished, but rather changed from tables of stone to “fleshy tables of the heart” (verses 2- 3). One need not tell them to avoid stealing, killing or lying. So long as they continue submitted to the Spirit, they will live the precepts of the Law in their lives. They are “known and read by all men.” How then, pray tell, has the Ten Commandments been abolished?

Two things are mentioned as done away, the ministration of that which was engraved on stone, along with the glory that was shining on the face of Moses (verses 7-16). The latter was replaced by Christ’s more glorious face, according to verses 13-18. But what does Paul mean by “ministration?” The word holds the original meaning of service towards others. Note that it was not the Decalogue itself, but the ministration of it, or the then instituted manner of teaching and enforcing it, that was abolished, to be succeeded by the ministration of the same Law by the apostles and the Spirit (3:3, 4:1)!
The ultimate proof that the Ten Commandment are not here being spoken of as abolished is in verse 12:

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, [which] put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.”

In Exodus 34 we read the story to which Paul is referring to. It says in verse 29 that “when Moses came down from Mount Sinai” the “two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand…” Thus they could look at the Decalogue. What, then, was it that they could not look at? “And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his face… And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him” (verses 33-25). What the Israelites could “not stedfastly look” at was the face of Moses when he covered it. That was what was abolished, to be replaced by the face of Christ!
Unfortunately, this veil still prevented their hearts from seeing the glory of Christ when they read the scriptures. But when that heart is turned to the Lord, “the vail shall be taken away” and they shall behold “the glory of the Lord” (verses 14-18). These same people have the Law in their hearts, manifest it through their actions and as a result do not go around saying that it has been abolished.
 
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Long Answer 2 Cor 3

THE LONG ANSWER

2 Corinthians 3 is the critic’s go-to when they want to claim that the Ten Commandments have been abolished, but a closer examination of each text in question reveals a different story.(6)Before speaking of what has been abolished, Paul actually establishes the Ten Commandments by revealing that the Corinthians are living examples of what the New Covenant looks like in living form. They are the epistle because, as the New Covenant promised, the Ten Commandments have been written in their hearts (cf. verses 1-3, Jer. 31:33). In other words, far from being abolished, they are reestablished in a better location, from tables of stone to “fleshy table of the heart” (verse 3). Keep in mind that we are literally talking about the Ten Commandments here, because that is the allusion when the text speaks about “tables of stone.”
What does the text mean by the heart? Not the literal organ of course. The heart represents the mind, the seat of all thoughts, intellect, passions, desires, affections and endeavors. The mind is what makes who we are in person and character, and dictates our actions in the physical realm. “For as he thinketh in his heart” says the wise man, “so is he” (Prov. 23:7). So then, if the Law was written in their hearts, it has become a natural part of their very being. One need not tell them to avoid stealing, killing or lying. They know the Law, their very impulse, so long as they continue submitted to the Spirit, is to obey God. Their lives demonstrate it’s precepts to the whole world as if they were living, walking, and talking epistles. People can read the Law in their lives and character. They are “known and read by all men.” How then, pray tell, has the Ten Commandments been abolished? Any thinking man with reasoning powers can see that such a claim flies in the face of the very point that Paul is trying to make here!
With this in mind we know for sure that what follows in this chapter cannot now say that the Ten Commandments have been abolished. Therefore, a critical look at each reference to something being abolished reveals exactly what those things were. Let us do that now:

“But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which [glory] was to be done away. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.” (verses 7-11).​
Two things are mentioned as done away with here, the ministration of that which was engraved on stone, along with the glory that was shining on the face of Moses. The latter was replaced by Christ’s more glorious face, according to verses 13-18. But what does Paul mean by “ministration?” The word holds the original meaning of service towards others. Note that it was not the Decalogue itself, but the ministration of it, or the then instituted manner of teaching and enforcing it, that was abolished, to be succeeded by the ministration of the same Law by the apostles and the Spirit (3:3, 4:1)! It is like taking a man from point A to point B on a bike versus taking him on a car. The car is the better, faster way. But changing the mode of transportation does not change the man being transported. Whereas before of their own strength the people sought to reach the standard of the moral precepts of the Decalogue,(8) now God takes His people there by using His Spirit to write the Ten Commandments in their hearts.
Recall the New Covenant promise, “I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts.” “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].” (Jer. 31:33, Eze. 36:26-27). Clearly what was removed was the manner in which that law is given. The ministration changed, not the Law.
The ultimate proof that the Ten Commandment are not here being spoken of as abolished is in verse 12:

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, [which] put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.”​
In Exodus 34 we read the story to which Paul is referring to. It says in verse 29 that “when Moses came down from Mount Sinai” the “two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand…” Thus they could look at the Decalogue. What, then, was it that they could not look at? “And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his face… And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him” (verses 33-25). What the Israelites could “not stedfastly look” at was the face of Moses when he covered it. That was what was abolished, to be replaced by the face of Christ!
Unfortunately, this veil still prevented their hearts from seeing the glory of Christ when they read the scriptures. But when that heart is turned to the Lord, “the vail shall be taken away” and they shall behold “the glory of the Lord” (verses 14-18).

Two things remain to be addressed. What did Paul mean when he said that the letter kills, and why did he address the Ten Commandments as the ministration of death and condemnation? One answer will suffice to reply to both these questions. The phrase “letter of the law” is an idiomatic phrase contrasting the spiritual, or principles of the law from the literal keeping of the words of the law. That there are these two aspects to the Law is made crystal clear by Jesus when he used the seventh commandment as an example. One can keep the letter (literally having relations with another woman outside your marriage) and yet break the spiritual aspect (lusting after that woman in your heart).(10) When one tries to keep the letter of the law, without the spiritual principles, you will fail, and thus be condemned to death by it. Moreover, when you are not aware of the Law, it will condemn you once you do become aware of it, because you will see that you are in violation. This is why the Law is called the ministration of death and condemnation, because it kills you and condemns you when you break it, not when you keep it!
Paul does not go deep into explaining what he means by death and condemnation here, but he does in Romans. Notice:

“What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].” (Rom. 7:7-11)​
It was the moment he became aware that he was in violation of the tenth commandment that the Law condemned him to death. You see the problem was not in keeping the commandment, but in not keeping the commandment! Note the next three verses:

“Therefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.” (Rom 7:12-14).​
 
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Three important details I want to highlight here:

  1. The fact that the Law points out his sin places no fault on the law, but on him. Thus the Law is “holy, just and good.”
  2. It was sin that produced death in him. The commandment pointed out his fault, and in this way brings death only when you are in violation of it!
  3. Did the fact that the commandment pointed out his sin mean that he no longer had to keep it? Of course not! He clearly said that that which is good, the Law, has not become death to him.
It would not be the first time that the Law is spoken of in this manner. Notice how David speaks of the Law in the same way but uses that as motivation to actually keep it!

“All Your commandments [are] faithful; They persecute me wrongfully; Help me! They almost made an end of me on earth, But I did not forsake Your precepts. Revive me according to Your lovingkindness, So that I may keep the testimony of Your mouth.” (Psa. 119:86-88).​
The critics view their inability of keeping the Law as a reason to avoid it or believe it must have been abolished. But the Bible views our inability to keep it as a reason to cry out to God for strength to obey!

Now, how can the Law be both death/condemnation and also “holy, just and good?” As explained above, it is death when breaking it, but life when keeping it. The old “ministration” of the Ten Commandments under Moses came with punishments and death when broken. Since the people could not keep the Law (Heb. 8:8), God now has a new ministration, the ministration of righteousness. God is now placing the Law in the heart of the individual who desires it, causing him to obey it, and thus avoiding the penalty that comes with breaking it. It is too bad that the critics interpret 2 Cor. 3 to mean that the Law has been abolished. Not only is that contrary to the context, but it leads the believer to go on breaking a Law he thinks is abolished!
The very next chapter says that the life of Christ is made “manifest” through the believer (2 Cor. 4:10-11). This is the very essence of the New Covenant. Christ lives His life, a life of obedience, through the acts of the believer, essentially causing him to live the moral precepts of the Law that has been written in his heart. So rather then going around saying that the Ten Commandments have been abolished, the believer, living under the New Covenant, will both manifest obedience to them through his acts and proclaim the importance of obedience to others as well.

https://adventdefenseleague.com/2020/09/does-2-corinthians-3-abolish-the-ten-commandments.html
 
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Matthew 5:48: Jesus said, “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”. God himself kept the sabbath.

Ecclesiastes 12:13: "Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man".

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For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
 
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Matthew 5:48: Jesus said, “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”. God himself kept the sabbath.

Ecclesiastes 12:13: "Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man".

---the least mentioned bible verse ---
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
Yes. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping our own traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 why He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. We should listen to Jesus, He only leads us on the narrow path back to reconciliation.
 
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2 Corinthians 3 is the critic’s go-to when they want to claim that the Ten Commandments have been abolished
The word abolished just means rendered useless. Laws have no authority over the dead, ie, useless, which we are in Christ through baptism into death.

G2673 καταργέω katargeo (kat-ar-ǰe'-ō) v.
1. to be entirely idle (useless).
2. to render entirely idle (useless).
 
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I disagree that the Sabbath law was mandated for everyone from Adam to Moses.

The Sabbath is connected to Christ's sacrifice per HB 7:22-8:13.

Jesus abrogated the Mosaic Sabbatarian law by saying, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath... Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." (MT 12:8&12) "It is finished" refers to his culminating, ending and abrogating the amoral OT laws.
No, Jesus did not “do away with the Sabbath” after He just said the Sabbath was made for human-beings. Mark 2:27 Jesus stating He is Lord of the Sabbath is showing His Authority over how it was to be kept because He is the Creator of it Exo 20:11 The charge was the the Pharisees was accusing the apostles for violating the Sabbath for eating grain because they hungry. Jesus clearly said they were not guilty Mat 12:7. If you really think that doing good on the Sabbath was ever a violation of the Sabbath commandment, this is the same thinking as the Pharisees who crucified Jesus without cause.

Basically what you are also saying, maybe not realizing it, but this teaching is saying Jesus was a hypocrite.

He condemned the Pharisees for breaking one of God’s commandments in the same unit of Ten the Sabbath is in written by His own finger but okay for breaking one of them Himself. Contradicting Himself not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting from the same unit of Ten. Such a sad teaching.

Matthew 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
 
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I disagree that the Sabbath law was mandated for everyone from Adam to Moses.
Have you ever watched a movie, where the whole plot was not explained and shown in the first 5 minutes of watching and perhaps not known until the end of the moving which explained the beginning? The Bible is like that. It is one continuous book, the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament, He says He does not change.

So while there might not be an explicit Text that says the Sabbath was not mandated from Adam to Moses, there is a lot of eveidence that it was kept, more so than it was not.

The Sabbath started at Creation, by Christ’s own Testimony Exo 20:11 God revealed this in the Sabbath commandment, which I do not believe was random.

Scripture reveals where there is no law there is no sin Rom 4:15. Lucifer sinned, therefore He broke God’s law. Adam and Eve sinned, therefore they broke God’s law. God tells us what His law is plainly, sadly people argument with Him over it, but it changes not His law.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Right in the Ten Commandments God called “My commandments”, which includes the Sabbath in “My commandments” Exo 20:6. To claim otherwise is arguing with God’s own Testimony.

All other laws were set outside the ark of the covenant, written by Moses, called the law of Moses and was set outside as a witness against for violating what was inside the ark, the Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26

We have proof the Ten Commandments was kept before they were written down on stone by the finger of God. See-Exo 16:26-29

God said it was “sin” for Cain to murder Abel and where there is no law there is no sin, so obviously they had the law to thou shalt not murder only found in the Ten Commandments. We already know the Sabbath started at Creation, so obviously they were given God’s law.

Scripture tells us God’s saints- His saved do this:

Rev14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So this would include anyone who is faithful to God in all times.

Was Abraham faithful to God?

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

God defined His commandments and they include all Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath That started at Creation.

The definition of faith is Heb 11:1 Now faith is the [a]substance of things hoped for, the [b]evidence of things not seen.

God gave us enough to go on regarding His holy and eternal law, that everyone we are to follow in the scriptures kept. The just live by faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. There’s an awful lot of thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and none saying it was abrogated. God said Remember, so forgetting is not being faithful to what He asked.
 

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So, to be clear. Your opinion is that God requires people to gather every Saturday to worship? Do you consider not doing this as something that could call into question someone’s salvation? (Please don't post 16 paragraphs-just a simple yes or no)