Understanding God’s election

Adam had access to the tree of life after the fall for a period of time. He by brutal sheer FREE will refused to eat of it (the temptation must have been immense) and prevented the Woman from eating as well.

God set cherubim to guard the tree of life only AFTER THE TRIAL.

Grace means favor. It's God's disposition towards his people

H2580 חֵן chen (chane) n-m.
1. graciousness.
2. (subjective) kindness, favor.

G5484 χάριν charin (cha'-riyn) adv.
1. (properly) on account of grace or favor.

I'd like to read chapter and verse also.

Absolutely. Didn't Jesus heal the blind? Well...he healed my spiritual blindness, too!

If Adam had not, then he would have been more powerful than God. God most assuredly "decreed" the Fall -- just as he decreed all the wicked things that happened to his beloved Son; yet, in both cases God did not become the author of sin or force anyone to sin. A&E, Just like Jesus' enemies, freely chose what they wanted to do. Judas, for example, blamed neither Satan who possessed him before betraying Jesus, nor did he blame God who decreed everything that happened. Judas bore his own personal guilt.

More to it than that.... It will shake you to your core.

That's why it says...

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.

That's how the word 'gracious' can be used.

But, Paul who was revealing the mystery that had been hidden, revealed another aspect.

It's not always a lovey-dovey God's expression. That was intended for baby Christians.
But, God wants us to grow up in Christ and fully mature.

It's also God's power for meaning business and supplying his troupes with the needed power their life will require, according to His imputed abilities (gifts) given each believer.

Paul revealed that for the mature believer, grace means God's power being granted by the Spirit, for each believer to fight the good fight against the world, the flesh, and the Devil.





Our succeding in doing God's will can not have been accomplished unless God supplied us with the needed grace power and thinking, all supplied by means of His Spirit in us!

When we are supposed to have reached maturity? Remaining stubborn and calling it personal conviction is actually being weak, not strong by grace. Yes... We needed conviction to pull us through to where God would fill us with power that gives us resting and inner peace... No more fighting by means of our emotions.


Search and pray... Find someone who can teach you the word of God on the same level that Peter, Paul, and John did.

For only sound doctrine can make ya believer able to enter into His rest, making one strong, firm and steadfast.

For those who have ears to hear.....

Hate means various realities.
When it comes to hating father, mother, sister, and brother?

It is referred to the kind of hate when you can not stand a certain food.
You'll just push it away and eat something else.

@rogerg


You dont really ? Im surprised at that Roger, Christ was setup preordained to die for the elect before the world began 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So Adam had to conform to Gods set purpose



I believe the tree of life was there to sustain the physical life they had from creation, and that life was sustained as long as they obeyed Gods commandment not to eat of the other forbidden tree



God didnt tempt them, the devil did, and believe it or not the devil was acting in concert with Gods set purpose



It was, it was ordained to spiritual life, the law was given to the elect to bring them to faith in Christ

Gal 3:24-26

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Through their eating, they found their need for Christ, the seed of the women,

I believe Adam and Eve were the first Christians to believe in Christ.

More to it than that.... It will shake you to your core.

That's why it says...

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.

Adam was condemned in the Garden. God reconciled only Eve unto himself when He placed enmity between her and the Serpent and between her seed and the Serpent's seed. There was no reconciliation with Adam.

What is this rubbish?

Both Adam and the Woman were SAVED/REDEEMED. Absolutely no doubt about it.
Its right there in black and white.....if you can read.

And the whole dynamic of Adam in the garden results him being honored by this being said of his tremendous SACRAFICE:

Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

So what are you going to come up with now?
That Adam being compared to God Himself and HIS OWN SACRAFICE is not in fact a great honor?

You don't read too swell, do you? First, Read Gen 3:15 and show me where Adam is in that verse.

Secondly, Adam is type of Christ by CONTRASTS! He's NOT being compared to Christ! There's not one positive thing said about Adam in scripture -- unless of course you think someone being contrasted with Jesus is a good thing. Is that what you think?

Still trying to make a hero out of Adam, aren't you? I suppose in your universe it's not a big deal if someone dies in Adam instead of in the Last Adam, is it? I mean...why not die in Adam since you seem to think he was the paragon of virtue, righteousness and holiness?

What is there to check if history is silent on Calvin's conversion? And I do follow Jesus. After all he did say once upon a time:

John 6:65
65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him ."
NIV

Surprise, surprise. The Lord did not say that no one can come to me unless they exercise their "sovereign free will".

"God most assuredly "decreed" the Fall"

And there goes your Calvinista programming kicking in to gear like a broken record.

God knows the end from the beginning, yes. But He does NOT create sin or evil. Ever. He is pure good and only does good.
In fact it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to be the slightest bit evil.

All of the wicked players back in Jesus day were exercising their OWN WILL, and it was indeed evil. And Holy God had no part in the wicked desires of their heart and evil machinations. However, God knowing all things and the end from the beginning and being outside of time has DEVASTATING advantage and CAN NEVER LOSE AN ENCOUNTER nor can He be thwarted, blamed, deceived, make a mistake, fail, or any other sin.

Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Grace is not power. That's a gnostic idea. God's power comes through the holy spirit

I got the point across and its not intended to be a personal attack.

You don't read too swell, do you? First, Read Gen 3:15 and show me where Adam is in that verse.

Secondly, Adam is type of Christ by CONTRASTS! There's not one positive thing said about Adam in scripture -- unless of course you think someone being contrasted with Jesus is a good thing. Is that what you think?

Still trying to make a hero out of Adam, aren't you? I suppose in your universe it's not a big deal if someone dies in Adam instead of in the Last Adam, is it? I mean...why not die in Adam since you seem to think he was the paragon of virtue, righteousness and holiness?

Why thank you, Mr. Soundbite.

You will use the same thing every time.
But, never showing why it is so...

History is not silent with regards to Calvin's beliefs. If a person is a Calvinist, they interpret scripture through the lens of Calvinism. The gospel does not depend on following Calvin.