Understanding God’s election

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MeowFlower

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I only too well do I know that. But prove to me that God made a covenant with Adam. That covenant is figment of more than few people's imaginations. The first covenant God made was with Noah. And the first redemptive covenant God made was with Abraham -- both covenants are in the OT, right? So...what is the point to your first sentence?

I respect all the covenants because they are the foundation to the most Glorious Covenant of them all -- the New Covenants which fulfills all the other covenants in the OT.
You don't know well enough to realize the Adamic covenant cannot be ignored. Knowing what it was helps to bring understanding of the second Adam and the new covenant.
 

Kroogz

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All the covenants God made in the bible were post-Fall; and those covenants were made in order for God to provide a salvific remedy for the Fall of mankind with each subsequent covenant building on the prior one.
Genesis 1:5
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Jeremiah 33:20
“Thus says the Lord : If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night will not come at their appointed time,
 

Genez

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[Eph 2:5, 8 KJV]
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved ...
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
I have no argument with that.

It's Irresistible Grace that does not appear in God's Word.

The understanding of what grace is, and what grace does for the believer, has been bantered about in various ways...
And, depending upon which sect is using it, it's failing to be understood.