The Gospels and the Mystery

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Pilgrimshope

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Peter said the law was an unbearable yoke for Israel, so it doesn't matter if Jews in Jerusalem were zealous for the law. That was their choice because that was what they were acculturated to. It was by no means a requirement of the gospel.

btw the gospel of the kingdom pertains to the kingdom of God/heaven into which gentiles became citizens via faith, just as the Jews were. There is no difference

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:10-11
Good stuff
 

John146

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Explain right division
Applying doctrine to the correct audience. In other words, the whole bible is written FOR us, but not all of it is written TO us. All of the bible is written for our learning, but not all of it is written for our obedience. Right division simply recognizes which parts of the bible is written to the church, the body of Christ, and which are written to the Jews. Here are the three audiences:

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
 
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Applying doctrine to the correct audience. In other words, the whole bible is written FOR us, but not all of it is written TO us. All of the bible is written for our learning, but not all of it is written for our obedience. Right division simply recognizes which parts of the bible is written to the church, the body of Christ, and which are written to the Jews. Here are the three audiences:

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
How does "right division" apply when "the church" is grafted into the vine of Israel, ie becomes one with it? Paul clearly states there is no difference between Jew and gentile in Christ.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Applying doctrine to the correct audience. In other words, the whole bible is written FOR us, but not all of it is written TO us. All of the bible is written for our learning, but not all of it is written for our obedience. Right division simply recognizes which parts of the bible is written to the church, the body of Christ, and which are written to the Jews. Here are the three audiences:

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
The ot was exclusive to Jews the nt covers this audience , this is the audience for the gospel

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (The audience )He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why should we then pretend it’s not the audience for the gospel ? It’s repeated

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; ( the audience ) and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is for everyone and this is the doctrine

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations( the audience ), baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How can you now explain that the gospel is not for everyone ?
 

Musicmaster

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everything. the argument, mostly.
I AM NOT ARGUING. fyi
Argument? Why conflate discussions over disagreements as arguments, with folks explaining why they believe what they believe?

When it gets to the point of mere disputation, then I walk away, such as from those who engage the weaknesses of ad hominem. That shows how weak their position is, and them standing on that intentionally is meaningless to address any more.

If doctrine is not important to your thinking, then there are many Universalist institutions out there that teach the line of thought that all doctrine is equally relevant, that there are no absolutes. Standing up for absolutes has always encouraged those who have no spine for absolutes to speak up and speak out against any strong system of belief that can be demonstrated from the biblical texts.

I do appreciate your sharing your not understanding it all. You're free to ask questions, or to just watch...whatever you so choose. However, subjectively judging discussion as something that it's not, that comes across as rather harsh, if you don't mind my saying so.

Your avatar looks like John Denver. Be sure and dip your tanks before taking off.

MM
 

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Argument? Why conflate discussions over disagreements as arguments, with folks explaining why they believe what they believe?

When it gets to the point of mere disputation, then I walk away, such as from those who engage the weaknesses of ad hominem. That shows how weak their position is, and them standing on that intentionally is meaningless to address any more.

If doctrine is not important to your thinking, then there are many Universalist institutions out there that teach the line of thought that all doctrine is equally relevant, that there are no absolutes. Standing up for absolutes has always encouraged those who have no spine for absolutes to speak up and speak out against any strong system of belief that can be demonstrated from the biblical texts.

I do appreciate your sharing your not understanding it all. You're free to ask questions, or to just watch...whatever you so choose. However, subjectively judging discussion as something that it's not, that comes across as rather harsh, if you don't mind my saying so.

Your avatar looks like John Denver. Be sure and dip your tanks before taking off.

MM
eh, discussions seem more civil, not putting down the opposition.

yep

no of course it is, it is theories that i dislike.

ehh, it is over my head.

???
 

Musicmaster

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eh, discussions seem more civil, not putting down the opposition.
Yes. They are the ones I have placed on ignore so that I don't have to read the nonsensical attacks against character a spiritual status. Some simply refuse to keep the conversation on the level of the topic, and so attack in other ways when they find themselves unable to defend their position.

If there's something you don't understand, then please feel free to ask.

MM
 
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Yes. They are the ones I have placed on ignore so that I don't have to read the nonsensical attacks against character a spiritual status. Some simply refuse to keep the conversation on the level of the topic, and so attack in other ways when they find themselves unable to defend their position.
MM
Actually, you can't defend your position well, so you put people on ignore who challenge it.
 

Musicmaster

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The identity theft being perpetrated against the believing remnant of Israel is astounding, perpetrated by Gentiles who lay claim to being members of the Church, the body of Christ, always thinking that the Abrahamic promises includes them because of the ingrafting, which is not true! They go out there preaching a very confused gospel message where they intermix grace with the works-based elements of the Kingdom Gospel, which is sophistic!

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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:28-29
 
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And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Romans 11:17