The Gospels and the Mystery

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what’s your point ?

of course the gospel was sent to the world

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not understanding why you quoted that verse Paul’s one of the people carrying out the commission to preach the gospel to everyone …..it doesn’t then create a different gospel

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Your post,

Yea it’s pretty clear I’d say lol

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My question to you is, has the end of the world come? Why not? Is not the gospel been preached in all the world?
 
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“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My question to you is, has the end of the world come? Why not? Is not the gospel been preached in all the world?
If I may interject, it doesn't say how long the gospel wold be proclaimed in all the world before the end would come. It can't be assumed from the syntax that the end would come as soon as the last country or whatever is reached
 
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When we look at the Gospel as preached by the twelve, and the Gospel given to Paul to be preached to Gentiles and Jews alike, it becomes quite clear, apart from over-spiritualizing everything one reads, that the two messages are not one and the same:

The Kingdom Gospel preached by Christ and the twelve:

Proclaimed repentance and water baptism for salvation (Acts 2:38)
Proclaimed the gospel of the kingdom ([URL='Matthew 4:17, Acts 3.19)
Saved and commissioned within Israel’s borders (Matthew 16:13, 16-17)
Taught in Christ’s earthly ministry
Ministered to Jews only (Matthew 10:5, Galatians 2:7-9)

The Gospel of Grace received and taught by Paul:

Proclaimed “believe” alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
Proclaimed the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24)
Saved and commissioned outside Israel’s borders (Acts 9:3)
Was taught in Christ’s heavenly ministry (Galatians 1:1, 11-12)
Ministered primarily to Gentiles because of Jewish rejection (Romans 11:13, Galatians 2:7-9)

Paul was not taught by the twelve:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

So, Paul was instructed by Christ Jesus, not other men in the mystery, which is the body of Christ, that was hidden in God, not the scriptures or the prophets:

1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Ephesians 3:2-7
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Not given to the twelve, but only to Paul, who then preached it to all others from that point onward. Paul already knew that the eleven were preaching, but THAT is the reason he persecuted them, and killed them. If Paul was only preaching what the others had already been preaching, then all the scriptures stating otherwise make no sense.

1 Corinthians 2:7-9
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

See that? Not even Satan and his demons knew of the Gospel of Grace that would be extended to the Gentiles until after it was revealed to, and preached by Paul. They would not have pushed for the crucifixion of Christ had they known that the kingdom of the Gentiles would be greatly diminished from their clutches through Paul's Gospel. They knew of the Kingdom Gospel, but they did NOT know of the Gospel of Grace and its impact until after it was too late.

Thoughts?

MM
MM,

I think you described the different emphases of Jesus and Paul quite well, leaving me only to point out places in Scripture where the mystery of God's inclusion of the Gentiles in His plan of salvation for the Jews is indicated or foreshadowed:

GN 12:3b. All people on earth will be blessed through Abraham.

GN 15:6. Abraham’s faith in the Lord was credited to him as righteousness. This is why Paul teaches that a true Jew is one whose “circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code” (RM 2:29, 4:3,9-12&16-17). Thus, all who accept Christ are spiritual Jews and God’s chosen people (EPH 2:13-3:6).

GN 22:8. God Himself will provide the lamb for the offering. These words of Abraham to Isaac may be viewed as the first prophetic reference to Jesus (JN 1:29). Many years later Moses instituted the sacrificial system that also portrayed the future messianic atonement.

PS 2:1-2. “Why do the nations rage against the Lord’s Anointed One [Messiah] or Son [v.7]?” Although this question may have referred to King David, we can see that it is even more relevant today with reference to Jesus.

IS 42:1-9, Messiah will be “a light for the Gentiles” as well as for the Jews.

This teaching is expressed also in 45:22-23, “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth… Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.”

A third statement is found in 49:6, “…I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.”

And again in 60:3, “Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn.”

Finally, in 66:23, “All mankind will come and bow down before me, says the Lord.” Paul wrote about this “new thing” in EPH 2:11-3:13.


JR 4:4. “Circumcise your hearts”. This emphasis on the inner spiritual faith rather than on the outward physical circumstances is found in the writings of Paul, who even went so far as to say that spiritual faith is the essence of what it means to be Jewish or chosen by God. RM 2:28-29 says that “A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit…”

JR 31:31. Here we find mention of the coming new covenant (NT).

JL 2:28. “I will pour out my Spirit on all people… in those days.” And verse 32 says, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved”, which Paul quotes (in RM 10:13).

ZCH 2:11. “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become [His] people.” This refers to the latter days between the first or second coming of Christ, when the mystery revealed by Paul occurs: Gentiles as well as Jews who have saving faith like Abraham will become God’s chosen people.
 
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If I may interject, it doesn't say how long the gospel wold be proclaimed in all the world before the end would come. It can't be assumed from the syntax that the end would come as soon as the last country or whatever is reached
And then, the end of the world will come...

The gospel that Paul preached had gone out to all the world, every nation, and to every creature under heaven. My point is, what Paul preached is not the gospel of the kingdom, but the gospel of the grace of God.
 
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And then, the end of the world will come...

The gospel that Paul preached had gone out to all the world, every nation, and to every creature under heaven. My point is, what Paul preached is not the gospel of the kingdom, but the gospel of the grace of God.
They didn't reach every nation or all people, eg, N America, S America, Australia. etc
 

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Your post,

Yea it’s pretty clear I’d say lol

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My question to you is, has the end of the world come? Why not? Is not the gospel been preached in all the world?
That passage doesn't say end of the world; simply the end will come. What did end?
 
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That passage doesn't say end of the world; simply the end will come. What did end?
Here's the question Jesus was answering:

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
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They didn't reach every nation or all people, eg, N America, S America, Australia. etc
All the world, every creature under heaven, to all nations...what Paul preached simply was not the gospel of the kingdom, or the world would have ended some 2,000 years ago.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 

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Here's the question Jesus was answering:

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
World there can be translated age.
 
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Being water baptized and simply believing in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day are not the same foundations for any Gospel...except a very confusing, amalgamated Gospel. Water baptism unto remission of sins simply doesn't fit in with grace through faith. So, if you would, please explain how any work can possibly add anything, supplement in any way, or even fit in with what is unmerited favor...otherwise known ads "grace".

This is one of a number of dichotomies that I haven't yet seen anyone get around without tripping the wires of language and doctrinal concept confusions.

Thanks

MM
You seem very confused on this matter and unable to rightly divide the word of truth. Water Baptism is not indeed a part of the gospel and you keep reverberating a false notion of what I believe. Water Baptism is a work. What Luke wrote in Acts 2 is that the 3,000 souls who “have gladly received his words were “baptized” v. 41 and who are they who have received his words? These are they who have believed “And all that believed …”

Now, these people who received or believed the word, are the same who have earlier stated as they repented. These are the people who have changed their minds about the Saviour.

Did Peter preach the same as Paul did? Yes! V23 speaks of his death “Him being delivered…have crucified and slain.” And his death and resurrection were stated in v24 “Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death…” This is what the 3000 repented at and believed or received so that, right after they were saved of the gospel they “were baptized”.

Hoping this help solve your mystery!
 
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Matthew 24 and the end of the world

The context is about the perilous times speaking of the Israelite people before the millennial kingdom of Christ. Jesus spoke of the world ending when this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached all over the world.

The question is, does the word “world” mean in every place, or part of the world, such as in Australia, America, etc? I would say Yes! That this “gospel of the kingdom should be preached, and then shall the end come”

Now notice v.15 spoke about the desolation spoken by Daniel which is to say the Gentile rule and shifted the focus from the area to time “When ye, therefore shall see… v.19 says bearing child “in those days”, the winter flight and the Sabbath day v.21, the elect days will be shortened v.22.

Specifically, it states that in v.21, this great tribulation had never occurred since the beginning of the Gentile world which speaks of the abomination of desolation spoken by Prophet Daniel.

So, what in the word that speaks of the "world to end" is all about the ending of the Gentile rule.

Be blessed everyone!
 

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The second advent has occurred? Are we in heaven, or the new earth?
You believe the new heavens and the new earth is about the destruction of the old and completely new entities replace them. The new heavens and earth are the restored or renewed heaven and earth. The heavens were restored when Satan no longer access and the blood of Jesus cleansed them. The earth is being restored and has been being restored since the cross. Part of Jesus destroying the works of the devil is the restoration of all things.
There is much more to this, but your response probably shows your lack of interest. If I'm mistaken, I'll gladly share more.
 
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Matthew 24 and the end of the world

The context is about the perilous times speaking of the Israelite people before the millennial kingdom of Christ. Jesus spoke of the world ending when this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached all over the world.

The question is, does the word “world” mean in every place, or part of the world, such as in Australia, America, etc? I would say Yes! That this “gospel of the kingdom should be preached, and then shall the end come”

Now notice v.15 spoke about the desolation spoken by Daniel which is to say the Gentile rule and shifted the focus from the area to time “When ye, therefore shall see… v.19 says bearing child “in those days”, the winter flight and the Sabbath day v.21, the elect days will be shortened v.22.

Specifically, it states that in v.21, this great tribulation had never occurred since the beginning of the Gentile world which speaks of the abomination of desolation spoken by Prophet Daniel.

So, what in the word that speaks of the "world to end" is all about the ending of the Gentile rule.

Be blessed everyone!
And has the Gentile rule come to an end?
 
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Your post,

Yea it’s pretty clear I’d say lol

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My question to you is, has the end of the world come? Why not? Is not the gospel been preached in all the world?
Has the end of the world come already ?

Naw .

has the gospel been preached to all creatures ? No there are creatures born daily they are part of the still existing world ….and need to hear the gospel also