The Gospels and the Mystery

Good stuff

It's so bad it's hard to know where to start.

yo no comprendo.

To what, may I ask?

MM

Applying doctrine to the correct audience. In other words, the whole bible is written FOR us, but not all of it is written TO us. All of the bible is written for our learning, but not all of it is written for our obedience. Right division simply recognizes which parts of the bible is written to the church, the body of Christ, and which are written to the Jews. Here are the three audiences:

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

How does "right division" apply when "the church" is grafted into the vine of Israel, ie becomes one with it? Paul clearly states there is no difference between Jew and gentile in Christ.

The ot was exclusive to Jews the nt covers this audience , this is the audience for the gospel

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (The audience )He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why should we then pretend it’s not the audience for the gospel ? It’s repeated

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; ( the audience ) and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is for everyone and this is the doctrine

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations( the audience ), baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How can you now explain that the gospel is not for everyone ?

everything. the argument, mostly.
I AM NOT ARGUING. fyi

Argument? Why conflate discussions over disagreements as arguments, with folks explaining why they believe what they believe?

When it gets to the point of mere disputation, then I walk away, such as from those who engage the weaknesses of ad hominem. That shows how weak their position is, and them standing on that intentionally is meaningless to address any more.

If doctrine is not important to your thinking, then there are many Universalist institutions out there that teach the line of thought that all doctrine is equally relevant, that there are no absolutes. Standing up for absolutes has always encouraged those who have no spine for absolutes to speak up and speak out against any strong system of belief that can be demonstrated from the biblical texts.

I do appreciate your sharing your not understanding it all. You're free to ask questions, or to just watch...whatever you so choose. However, subjectively judging discussion as something that it's not, that comes across as rather harsh, if you don't mind my saying so.

Your avatar looks like John Denver. Be sure and dip your tanks before taking off.

MM

eh, discussions seem more civil, not putting down the opposition.

yep

no of course it is, it is theories that i dislike.

ehh, it is over my head.

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Yes. They are the ones I have placed on ignore so that I don't have to read the nonsensical attacks against character a spiritual status. Some simply refuse to keep the conversation on the level of the topic, and so attack in other ways when they find themselves unable to defend their position.

If there's something you don't understand, then please feel free to ask.

MM

Actually, you can't defend your position well, so you put people on ignore who challenge it.

The identity theft being perpetrated against the believing remnant of Israel is astounding, perpetrated by Gentiles who lay claim to being members of the Church, the body of Christ, always thinking that the Abrahamic promises includes them because of the ingrafting, which is not true! They go out there preaching a very confused gospel message where they intermix grace with the works-based elements of the Kingdom Gospel, which is sophistic!

MM

It's still remarkable that some today think the body of Christ is the "bride" of Christ. This odd thinking that the Lord will become a serial polygamist by having been married to Israel, only to later then be joined to some other grouping that actually consists of the body of Christ, which will inherit the Heavenly places rather than the new earth nor the new Jerusalem. We will dwell in Heavenly places as is written in Ephesians chapters one and in chapter two.

This confusion exists mainly originating from the dichotomies injected into modern theology from what is called "replacement theology," from the pits of Hell. Failures in understanding the differences between the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace feeds into this sophistic, schizophrenic intermixing of gospels that simply cannot co-exist in modern times, thus feeding that monster of replacement theology that modern religions from Hell foist with glee upon the unsuspecting masses.

MM

Dispensationalism is from the pits of hell and replacement theology is a straw man. Israel has not been replaced; only the disobedient natural branches were/are broken off and replaced with obedient wild branches

Jesus preached good news (gospel), which to the Israelites, was the coming of the kingdom they so desired, but He also preached to them the requirement for repentance (change of mind). Rather than to belabor the history of how we today got to where we are in the many misconceptions and falsehoods in understanding and belief, suffice it to say that replacement theology has done grave damage to the general understanding many harbor about the good news that Jesus preached to Israel versus what Paul preached to Gentiles. That's not to say that they were in opposition to each other, but we need only look at the content of the messages preached to see the shift that took place over time as the salvation saga progressed.

Kingdom Gospel:

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (John the Baptist)

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Jesus)

Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. (the twelve)

Luke 13:3, 5
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. ... (Jesus)
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Jesus)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Peter)

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. (Peter to the sorcerer)


Gospel of Grace:

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Romans 5:2, 15, 17, 20-21
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. ...
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. ...
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) ...
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This which Paul preached is not seen in the spoken words of Jesus nor the twelve to any one until the times of Paul after his conversion and the revelation of the mystery to him directly from Christ. Jesus and His disciples preached repentance and baptism, never making mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the Gospel.

What's further troubling to behold is the modern group-think about covenants. Never did Jesus establish any covenant with Gentiles, but most today think the opposite. The blurring of the lines of distinction between the nation Israel and all other peoples, that is the fodder of replacement theology. One doesn't have to believe in the total replacement of Israel to not believe in some tattered piece of the core teaching known as replacement theology. That system of thought is very much like leaven, in that a little leaven leavens the whole loaves of other theological thought. It's poison because of the splintering and fractured doctrines that permeate throughout so much of Western thinking within churchianity.

The differences between covenants made with Israel versus the testaments that apply to all mankind, they are striking to the mind that dares observe the differences, which does grave damage to demonic doctrine and its fragments that comprise replacement theology. Many don't want to retain the contrasts, and so have joined with the group-think mentality of popular beliefs vomited from pulpits, videos, books, radio, et al. Satan has always been at work to keep the falsehoods alive, and those standing guard on the wall against the onslaught remain ridiculed and smeared by the masses who go along with their religions not founded upon solid, biblical hermeneutics.

Thoughts?

MM

Some have said that belief in divisions in relation to how the Lord dispensed salvation confuses Law and works with salvation for those in the time of Jesus walking this earth and His disciples. I don't see any confusion in admitting that Jesus and His original apostles preached the Kingdom Gospel, with them even using that very terminology in relation to the coming Kingdom on this earth.

The REAL confusion is when people etherealize that Kingdom as being IN Heaven rather than OF it. There is a difference, and failure to recognize that difference is where there is such confusions.

MM