Justification from everlasting !

Just because they are Elect !

The Elect are Justified before God from Everlasting simply because they are God's Elect. Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

All of God's Elect in all generations, God does not charge them with their sins.

All the Elect were free of condemnation before God from everlasting based upon what Christ would accomplish for them in time upon the Cross, and so nothing can ever be laid to their charge, hence that constitutes them to [before God legally] in a state of Justification. 4

It is God that Justifieth !

By the mere fact that one is God's Elect, that alone, apart from any other consideration, means they are Eternally Justified before Him, from Eternity, hence Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

There are none that can lay any charge to God's Elect, in fact, because of Christ, they cannot even from God Himself be under any condemnation.

Now what is the criteria for this ? Is it because of their faith or believing, what about their repenting, or water baptism, or maybe their accepting a gift offered, or because they called upon the name of the Lord ?, No, its not judged based on any of those things, but upon the sole fact that it is Christ that died or who shall die, when speaking of it from God's Eternal Perspective into time.

Because it is He that has died and risen again [for their Justification Rom 4:25], and who is now at the Right Hand of God making intercession for them, not for all the world of mankind, but for them , God's Elect of Rom 8:33.

And again, by the mere fact that it is God who Justifieth, its an Eternal Act in His Eternal Mind, for He is Eternal and so must be His reckoning something to be Ps 33:11

The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

The thoughts of God's Heart are founded in Eternity and from Eternity, and so it is of His Reckoning or accounting something to be Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God's calling or naming something to be in His Mind is an Eternal Act that is not bound by Time, its outside of Time.

Now some may argue, from what were they Justified if Justified from everlasting ? Answer, from their sins and condemnation they were incur from their sins against God's Law that shall commit to begin in Adam, and to follow in their own Persons as they are born sinners and by nature children of wrath even as others Eph 2:3, and from this they were Eternally Justified for it is God that Justifieth ! 5

The Gospel teaches Justification in Eternity !

The Gospel teaches Justification in Eternity by the will / decree of God the Father; Yes before all worlds or ages commenced, the Elect or God's Chosen, their Justification was an established fact by the Purpose of God. In the Mind and Purpose of God, all His Elect were Justified from Everlasting. This Justification was finished by God's Sovereign Purpose of Grace in Eternal Election and Predestination before the foundation, and this is a matter of biblical fact and revelation Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The Justification of God's People did not start in time, but before the ages. Paul here in this Passage declares all the Elect of God, the foreknown were Justified in the Eternal Purpose of Grace, as well as in 2Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This Justification of God's Elect from Eternity is an Eternal act of God's Grace, hence Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

They were Justified by His Grace before being made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is in conjunction with Grace given in Christ before the ages commenced 2 Tim 1:9

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, ESV.

The Gospel teaches Justification in Eternity !2

You see, in the Mind and Purpose of God, Christ is the Lamb of God already slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hence, that is why Prophets Like Isaiah could prophesy of His Death as if it had already occurred for the many Isa 53:6-12


It was before the ages began that in the Eternal Purpose of God Christ was set up, constituted as Surety Representative and Redeemer, and Substitute, hence Peter did write of His Redeeming Blood 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Christ before the the foundation was appointed to be the sacrificial lamb for the sins of His People, to be a propitiation for the sins of God's People Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

John Gill writes :


The writer of Hebrews states that He was made a Surety of a Better Covenant Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

This we believe to be what Peter writes of in 1 Pet 1:20 when He was foreknown or predestined for Redemption Vs 18-19.

And because of this God viewed Christ in His Own Eternal Perspective as having been already slain for the sins of His People from Everlasting Rev 13:8. This should be Preached in the Everlasting Gospel Rev 14:6

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

The Gospel teaches Justification in Eternity !3

Why its [Justification before God by the Divine Purpose] a done deal by His Purpose in and of itself. That by it He viewed the slaying of Christ for the sins of His People as a done deal.

It typed and pictured to how Abraham did in purpose sacrifice his beloved son [Isaac] in purpose/intent of his heart Gen 22:12

12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

In Purpose and intent Isaac was just as good as dead to Abraham, he had thoughts of God bringing him back from the dead Heb 11:19

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

So Christ in God's Purpose being sacrificed Rev 13:8 made those He was sacrificed in behalf of Justified and accepted in the Beloved before the world began. 5

More on Eternal Justification !

In the Eternal Justification of God's Elect, it lies in this, there has been from everlasting [Ps103:17] the immutable counsel of God, that He would not Impute Sin, nor Punish sin, nor bring under condemnation of His Law, hence in this lies their Justification from everlasting Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This being True Paul could write to Chosen ones of 1 Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Or it can read :He did not decree us to be subject to wrath! Like He did the Vessels of wrath Rom 9:22

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

That word fitted is the greek word katartizō:

to render, i.e. to fit, sound, complete

a) to mend (what has been broken or rent), to repair

1) to complete

b) to fit out, equip, put in order, arrange, adjust

1) to fit or frame for one's self, prepare

c) ethically: to strengthen, perfect, complete, make one what he ought to be

Which has a very similar definition as the word appointed in 1 Thess 5:9 which is the greek word tithémi:

I put, place, lay, set, fix, establish.

And these are Eternal Decisions Made by God in His Eternal Purpose before the world began.

They were not appointed to wrath because God had appointed in their place and stead, their Surety Shepherd to wrath 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you. AMP

Our English word foreordain means also:

to ordain or appoint beforehand
to predestine; predetermine.

Christ was appointed to wrath for the Sheep before the world began, which means they were not appointed to wrath.

They were instead appointed to obtain Salvation by Their Shepherd Jesus Christ.

The same Salvation Paul means here 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Notice also that its for the Elect, for they were never appointed to wrath but to Eternal Glory, as the Vessels of Mercy they were made. Rom 9:23

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

This Is Eternal Justification from sin before the world began !

As for Eternal Justification !

As for Eternal Justification it is contemporaneous with Eternal Election. According to scripture when did Election appear in the Purpose and Mind of God ? It was before the foundation of the world, by His own Eternal Choice of them in Christ Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now if its established that God considered His Elect, by His Own Choice and Purpose as His Elect before the foundation, then by the simple fact of that alone, they being His Elect, they had nothing by Him laid to their Charge indicated here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

The word chosen in Eph 1:4 and Elect here in Rom 8:33 are the same word !

Now by them having nothing Charged against them by God, by that fact they are Justified as God's Elect, being such before the foundation of the World.

This makes them acquitted ad Justified from their sins before the foundation !

For it was Electing Grace that put them in Christ Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

And this Grace of Election was given them in the Divine Mind and Purpose before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And so by that Grace were they Justified before the world began Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

How is it possible for them to have Grace given them by God in Christ Jesus that Early, and them not being Justified in His Mind and Purpose by Grace that Early ? 5

Yes, God's plan of salvation/justification was the reason for creation at the beginning of everlasting, and the POS is to save/justify all who exercise their God-given faith/will to repent and cooperate with His POS for them to accept Jesus as Messiah and Lord in the human dimension. Those who choose to refuse God's mercy/justification will have hell to pay on Judgment day at the end of everlasting.

It’s actually his word in the gospel that we need to accept as well or reject

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

False teaching

Yes, and I believe the Gospel we need to accept can be elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

What teaching is false IYO?

yeah id say it’s everything you find in Matthew mark Luke and John

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Well, "need" implies necessary to know at least implicitly in order to have saving faith, but some of the information in the gospels is not in that category. Here is the Scriptural basis for this explanation:

Teachings that are secondary or subsequent to learning GRFS can be designated by the Greek word, didache, which means teaching. The didache may be very important and requisite for becoming spiritually mature, but it is not most important or necessary to know/believe in order to be saved. The distinction between kerygma/saving faith and didache/working faith was made by Jesus when He commissioned His original twelve disciples minus Judas (MT 28:19-20). This “Great Commission” speaks of both types of information.

The kerygma is indicated by verse 19, in which Jesus says, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations”. A Christian disciple is a learner or one who believes the good news about God’s offer of eternal life to all who accept Jesus as Christ, the Lord incarnate. The didache is implicit in verse 20, in which Jesus continues by saying “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This speaks of the information a disciple needs to know and believe after conversion in order to grow in Christ-likeness regarding how to live the law of love. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13. Again, it is very important but not necessary for salvation. Witness the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43, who had no opportunity to learn the didache after his conversion; although, like Paul (according to Acts 22:3) and most adults, some didachaic truth is learned prior to knowing the kerygma.

The distinction between kerygma and didache can be seen also in 2 Timothy 3:15-17. The scriptures “which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” refers to the Gospel or kerygma. The scriptural teaching that is useful for “training in righteousness, so that the man [or woman per GL 3:28] of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” refers to the didache.

The apostle Paul also employs the difference between kerygma and didache in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. The “foundation… which is Jesus Christ” is the kerygmatic teaching regarding salvation. Paul alludes to the didache when he says that one should be careful how he/she builds upon this foundation.

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime.

Another passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].”

yes people have a lot of different thoughts .

The gospel according to mark

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gospel according to Matthew

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gospel according to Luke

“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, that thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭

a and John

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:31‬ ‭

I believe the gospel can be found m the totality of those books and the message and true story they tell

Yo

Cute, but I have no idea which of the following Yo refers to:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

I had no clue what IYO? means

IYO means "in your opinion", which you said is that my opinion is "false" that God's plan of salvation/justification was the reason for creation at the beginning of everlasting, and the POS is to save/justify all who exercise their God-given faith/will to repent and cooperate with His POS for them to accept Jesus as Messiah and Lord in the human dimension. Those who choose to refuse God's mercy/justification will have hell to pay on Judgment day at the end of everlasting.

Then I posted the five point elaboration that my statement is meant to summarize.

So again I ask, which teaching or point do you think is false?

It is God who Justifies His Elect !

Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

This fact alone in and of itself is enough to declare all of God's Elect Justified by Him. Whenever the scripture mentions Justification, its restricted to His Elect Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel[God's Elect] be justified, and shall glory.

Now, since when did God have the will to Justify His Elect ? It was conceived in the Mind of God from Everlasting not to impute or charge sin to those of His Elect. For that must be the case if it was anything of an Everlasting Covenant struck with His Son, on their behalf, and so we have that which is called in scripture " the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant " Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

This Covenant will be revealed to all who have a Covenant Interest in it, like David had it revealed to him 2 Sam 23:5

5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Which at least by the Divine Purpose, and according to this Covenant, Christ is the Lamb that had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20, and if so slain, He was slain in the Divine Purpose for the sins of His Elect imputed to Him. In the Divine Purpose Christ had already been made sin[by imputation] for the elect 2 Cor 5:21 that He may in the fulness of time actually be slain for in our time.

So if God purposed to impute their sins to Christ, then when did He not impute them to Him ? See Ps 33:11 And when did He impute their sins to them ?

By this purpose conceived in the Mind of God, not to impute sin to His Elect from everlasting would at the least account for them to be by Him Justified from all their sins [by non imputation] from Everlasting. Paul preached of some being Justified from all things Acts 13:39

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Justified here means to be cleared, absolved ,freed from every charge against them before God's Law and Justice, which could not have been done by the code of moses and the Levitical Priesthood.

So you see here in Acts 13:39 to be justified more so of being set free from sin and it's guilt and penalty, from which the mosaic administration and ts priesthood could not do, however it was done by that once and for all oblation of Christ, and made it count for all whom He died, Justified from all things, as it pertaineth to the things of God and the People Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Again, this reconciliation or justification from all things, was restricted to the sins of the People of the Elect !

And God never charged them with their sins, but charged them to Christ, before the world began !

Now do not misunderstand, they were charged with sin, but those charges never were laid or imputed to them, but to Christ. The charges were real and Christ bore a real punishment for them. 5