the Sabbath

As well as the cardiology unit at every hospital.

Seventh-day Adventists (SDA) who follow the health message tend to live significantly longer than the general population. Studies have shown that Adventists live on average seven to ten years longer123. This increased longevity is attributed to their lifestyle practices, which include a plant-based diet, regular exercise, abstaining from smoking and alcohol, and maintaining a strong sense of community and faith23.

the problem is this;

AI work with thousands of rules, we do not know these rules or who wrote them and the purpose. if you ask AI will not tell you.

AI have databases on topics and use commentaries, and more, these commentaries can and are bias sometimes it is why AI can be useful but should not be relied upon, certainly not for spiritual matters. last time I asked AI would not tell me what data they used they are not allowed.

I hope you understand the difference and that you will use it wisely and VERIFY the responses always.

cheers.

This is exactly where we differ.

Here is what Chat GPT has to say about faith and works, the gift and the works, salvation and obedience.

1. Is salvation based solely on Christ's reconciliation, Christ's death on the cross?

A literal reading suggests that salvation is tied to Christ’s death and resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:1-5 emphasizes this:
This passage explicitly ties salvation to Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. It frames this as "the gospel," or the good news, that brings salvation to believers.

2. Is eternal life a gift given to us in an unconditional way?

The New Testament describes eternal life as a gift of grace but ties its reception to belief in Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 states:
This passage emphasizes that salvation is not earned by human effort but is a gift from God. However, faith is highlighted as the means through which this gift is received.

Similarly, Romans 6:23 describes eternal life as a gift:
3. Do we contribute to our salvation?

The texts repeatedly emphasize that salvation is not based on human effort or merit. For example:

Ephesians 2:9: "Not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Titus 3:5: "He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit."

However, other passages imply that a response of faith is necessary to receive this salvation, such as Romans 10:9:
This suggests that while salvation is not "earned," an individual must respond in faith and confession.

4. What does grace mean?

In the New Testament, "grace" (Greek: charis) is presented as God's unmerited favor or kindness, freely given, not earned by human effort. Key passages:

Ephesians 2:8: Grace is the basis of salvation, given as a gift.

Romans 5:15: "But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many."
Grace is consistently portrayed as the foundation of salvation, offered through Christ.

5. Is faith perfected by works?

While salvation is described as a gift received through faith, the New Testament also suggests that genuine faith results in action or works. James 2:17 states:

James argues that faith must be demonstrated through action, but he does not contradict the idea that salvation itself is a gift. Instead, he emphasizes that works are evidence of true faith:

This complements Paul’s writings, which stress salvation by faith while also highlighting the transformation faith produces. For example, Ephesians 2:10 follows the discussion of grace and faith with:
Summary

• Salvation is based on Christ’s death and resurrection, as emphasized in passages like 1 Corinthians 15:1-5.
• Eternal life is described as a gift of grace, received through faith, and not based on works (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 6:23).
• While humans do not "contribute" to earning salvation, faith and confession (Romans 10:9) are required to receive it.
• Grace is unmerited favor from God, the basis of salvation (Ephesians 2:8, Romans 5:15).
• Genuine faith is demonstrated by works, as James 2:17-24 and Ephesians 2:10 suggest, but these works are not the cause of salvation.

This reading avoids adding interpretation beyond what the text directly says.

'So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath [and He has authority over it]', Mk 2:28
Challenge the Pharisees' beliefs: Jesus healed on the Sabbath to show that he was greater than the law and had authority over the Sabbath. He was challenging the Pharisees' beliefs that their manmade traditions defined what was lawful on the Sabbath

Mt 22:34- 'And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
He's simply stating if someone loves God and also loves their neighbor AS THEMSELVES, they will be in the will of God.

See, you do preach Jesus plus pork.

Life was never about about how many years you clock up.

Many large population studies have found that vegetarians and vegans live longer than meat eaters:
According to the Loma Linda University study, vegetarians live about eight years longer and vegans
about fifteen years longer than meat eaters.

Science knows that stuff.

Life was only about receiving the revelation of the Christ and accepting that revelation.

Food and drink really has nothing to do with the revelation of the Christ.

We are talking about immortality not an extra 10 years on this evil planet.

Get your house in order.

There was nothing in the Sabbath commandment that says we can't help others in need or eat on the Sabbath. To claim this is in violation of the law is the same mindset of the Pharisees, which Jesus was constantly correctly as they added many of their own rules to God's commandments and followed their traditions over obeying God's commandments which Jesus condemned. Mat 15:3-14

The greatest commandments is the Ten Commandments summarized- how to love God, how to love man, what the entire bible hangs on.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The summary does not delete the details of how to love thy neighbor or how to Lord God.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Jms 2:17- 'James says, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also” (James 2:26). Faith without works is a dead faith because the lack of works reveals an unchanged life or a spiritually dead heart. There are many verses that say that true saving faith will result in a transformed life, that faith is demonstrated by the works we do. How we live reveals what we believe and whether the faith we profess to have is a living faith.

However, the criminal on the Cross was saved because He received Jesus. You might say he 'acted' by asking Jesus to save him.

Not if you demand a literal reading of the scripture.

No church teaching, no tradition, no theology, just a literal reading.

You can set the conditions that Chat GPT will follow.

Chat GPT does a very good job of reading the text.

Let's have a look at the SDA and it's teaching.

Are the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist church correct or are they conformed to an interpretation of the Bible? Does the SDA follow an old interpretation that Catholics and Reformers employed in reading the text? This is a tough question for you to answer. Please pay special attention to Romans 10 and Ephesians 2:8.

ChatGPT said:

Your question is thoughtful and nuanced, and I'll approach it carefully with a focus on literal New Testament text as requested, while considering the broader context of your inquiry. Let’s address the key parts:
1. Are the teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church correct or conformed to an interpretation of the Bible?
The SDA Church holds specific doctrines that are interpretations of the Bible, influenced by its unique theological framework. For example:

• The Sabbath: The SDA emphasizes observing the seventh day (Saturday) as the Sabbath, citing Exodus 20:8-11 and Jesus' own observance of the Sabbath in the Gospels.
• Dietary Laws: They often follow Old Testament dietary laws (e.g., Leviticus 11) as guidelines for health.
• The Second Coming: They stress a literal, visible return of Christ based on texts like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

These teachings stem from the SDA Church's interpretation of the Bible, particularly their understanding of Old Testament laws and apocalyptic passages, such as Daniel and Revelation.
While these views claim a biblical foundation, they represent an interpretive approach. For instance, their emphasis on the Sabbath is not explicitly commanded for New Testament Christians in texts like Romans 14:5-6, which suggest flexibility regarding holy days.
2. Do SDAs follow an old interpretation that Catholics and Reformers employed in reading the text?
Yes and no. The SDA Church shares some roots with older interpretations, particularly:

• Protestant Reformers: The SDA adopts many ideas from the Protestant Reformation, such as sola scriptura (Scripture alone) and opposition to the perceived authority of the Roman Catholic Church. They also use the historicist method of interpreting prophecy (e.g., Daniel and Revelation), which was common among Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin.
• Catholic Influence: The SDAs diverge from Catholic traditions significantly, especially in rejecting Catholic authority and sacraments. However, some of their apocalyptic emphasis indirectly stems from medieval Catholic interpretations of prophecy.

Thus, SDAs inherit a blend of older Protestant methods of interpretation but apply them distinctively, particularly regarding the Sabbath and health laws.
3. Romans 10 and Ephesians 2:8 in this context
Now, let’s examine the key passages to evaluate the SDA emphasis on works and grace.
Romans 10:9-10
This passage emphasizes belief and confession as the sole conditions for salvation. It does not mention the observance of the Sabbath, dietary laws, or other works-based requirements.
Ephesians 2:8-9
This passage explicitly teaches that salvation is a gift of grace, received through faith, and not based on works. The emphasis here aligns with the Protestant understanding of grace and challenges any suggestion that obedience to specific laws (e.g., Sabbath observance) contributes to salvation.
Tension Between Law and Grace
The SDA Church emphasizes obedience, especially the Ten Commandments, as evidence of faith. While they affirm salvation by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), they also teach that obedience reflects true faith (similar to James 2:17, "faith without works is dead"). This creates tension with passages like Romans 10 and Ephesians 2, which highlight grace apart from works.
For example:

• Romans 6:14 states: "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."
• However, John 14:15 also records Jesus saying: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

The SDA Church interprets such passages to mean that grace saves, but obedience to God's laws—including Sabbath observance—is a natural response to salvation. Whether this approach is "correct" depends on how one balances the New Testament's teachings on law and grace.
Summary

1. The SDA Church's teachings represent a distinct interpretation of the Bible, blending Protestant ideas with their own focus on Old Testament law.
2. They are influenced by older Catholic and Reformer methods but adapt them uniquely, especially in their emphasis on the Sabbath and apocalyptic prophecy.
3. A literal reading of Romans 10:9 and Ephesians 2:8-9 emphasizes salvation as a gift of grace through faith, without mention of specific works like Sabbath observance. While works (obedience) may reflect true faith (James 2:17), they are not presented as the means of salvation in these texts.

Would you like a deeper comparison between SDA doctrines and the literal readings of other New Testament passages?

The clincher statement in James.

James 2:22-25
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
And he was called the friend of God.

Saved by grace through faith and you contribute nothing to that act of grace by Jesus Christ.

is not about being live longer But be Like Jesus Christ in This world 1 John 4:7

Agreed.

There are some that enter most Christian Discussion Communities. They even retain the same name.
One I know of was banned at a site because after awhile their Sophistry turned out to be cloaked atheism trolling for attention. When discovered they went off! And violated the code of conduct so badly as to be thrown off the site.

I think it becomes easy to recognize that personality when no matter how much actual scriptural understanding is addressed to them they retain their errant perspective.

The one I referred to sought to get Christians to flare up so he could report them. Turns out that backfired and it was he who went off.

Sad really.

If someone doesn't believe,OK.
Why harass those who do?

Makes zero sense.

God Bless.

Yes! Jesus kept the Sabbath and He said follow Me, I am the way. However, following how He asks us to live, He blesses us now.

For readers here, Google: chatgpt is corrupt.

Then you shall know why it is not reliable in these discussions .

I was thinking Daniel:
[Dan 1:5-8, 10, 12-15 KJV] 5 And the king appointed them a daily provision of the king's meat, and of the wine which he drank: so nourishing them three years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king. 6 Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: 7 Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel [the name] of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego. 8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. ... 10 And the prince of the eunuchs said unto Daniel, I fear my lord the king, who hath appointed your meat and your drink: for why should he see your faces worse liking than the children which [are] of your sort? then shall ye make [me] endanger my head to the king. ... 12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink. 13 Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants. 14 So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days. 15 And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.

I think if someone truly believes that they would never oppose observing the Sabbath as he did. He and the Apostles,including Paul.

“And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes He kept The Sabbath as He has no sin. Have you reach that stage yet. for Christians is to imitate His life Not his culture.

So only those who observe a Saturday Sabbath are saved?

[Rom 12:1 KJV] 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

[Luk 16:10 KJV] 10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

We all sin, but if we have a right relationship with God, we will loose the cares of this world and focus on Jesus Christ. While I can’t obey Him on my own, I can through Christ, it’s a promise. John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 but if we won’t even allow God to be God and follow His law, His version, not mans, there is no place for the Holy Spirit to come into our hearts and enable us to obey Him.