Do you believe I will never be of God's elect if I don't worship your view of God?

Answer this -------Who is the someone else you refer to and what is their view of their god ----that you might accept over the God of Abraham --isaac and jacob ---

& that is trouble for that person! not proper.

2 Timothy

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;

5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

16 The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:

17 But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me.

18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.

Your post is from the Bible which is the Logos Word of the God of Abraham --isaac and Jacob -----so what is your point with your posting this statement

Suspenders said:
Why should I worship your view of God over someone else's view of God?

There is no someone else's view here -----you make no sense with your statement ----Paul worships the God of Abraham --Isaac and jacob ----

Suspenders----

There is only 2 true Gods ----One Is the god of this world and His Name is Satan -right at this time ---and who will be put in Hell at a later time ----and the other is the Triune God who created this World and all humans ==animals etc --etc and who has many names but remains the One True God ---

https://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-God.html
Read for yourselves

EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent"

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong”

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD”

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide"

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals"

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner"

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy"

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace"

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God"

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness”

YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There”

YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts"

EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High"

EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing"

EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God"

EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God”

I say
Know this -------There are no other Real Gods -----all other gods of the different Religions are fictitious gods ----man made trying to mimic the One True God of Abraham --Issac and Jacob -----

All Religions are Man Made and that includes Christianity -----The One True God has no Religion ----Jesus said Follow Me --as I am the Way ------so to Follow Jesus today is to Follow His Word ----He never said Follow my Judaism way ---or Follow my Christianity -way ---or Catholic way etc -----He simply said Follow Me-----Jesus is the Way ------

The Disciples were followers of Jesus ' way ----and so should we be ----

perfect; thanks.

His words are Spirit, and life

what are yours?
what are mine?
what are theirs?

so, given the nature of words - understanding that Babel is a real event - is patience and mercy required to speak to another human? or to say another way: is it well that we interact with others always in strict, demanding, unforgiving judgment?

in my life i've talked with thousands of people.

i have no idea how many of them i actually know. my guess is maybe 3 to 6

even this feels optimistic, and 60% of my guess refers to cats, not humans.

Show me another God that can turn water into wine.

Your view of God is very important because you have to have the right God. You know who the right God is because the word that is revealed to you from God has to match your conscience, indicating that He is Divine and holy, and good. If this doesn't register with you then you have an agenda that allows you to operate independently from God. And that is our inborn sense of what "Sin" is.

Yes, and GW reveals the following view of God:

According to the Bible/GW, God created everything else that exists (GN 1:1, JR 10:16, JN 1:1-3), including the ability by volitional beings (souls) to choose to rebel against His Lordship (GN 2:16, DT 30:19). Our finite minds cannot comprehend how God does this (IS 40:28). However, neither are we able to understand why the universe exists without God (JN 3:8). Theistic and atheistic cosmologies are both mind-boggling! Just as atheists believe that somehow the world always existed and somewhat intelligent beings evolved, so theists believe that for some reason the eternal Intelligence or Spirit of God created and pervades the physical universe, including the brains of those who freely will to spit in His face (RM 5:6-8, MT 27:30)! What God was doing before the creation of time/space is as inconceivable as nothing/atheism.

The NT concept/view of God, “the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God” (1TM 1:17), can be stated in terms of seven words. Four terms are used to describe (but not explain and certainly not “box in”) the supernatural power of God: omnipotent (almighty), omniscient (all-knowing/ intelligent), omnipresent (everywhere), and omnitemporal (eternal). “Natural laws” actually are God’s ongoing first miracle (RM1:20), and supernatural resurrection to judgment will be the final miracle (HB 9:27-28, 1CR 15:12-26).

If the NT is not too good to be true, then the Lord of the universe is neither dictatorial nor distant, but rather relates to humanity. Although we cannot comprehend the infinite God completely, hopefully we can do so sufficiently in order to achieve the type of relationship God desires to have with humanity (JN 14:9-25). God desires communion.

1. God’s omnipotence means that He can do everything except “disown Himself” or not be God (2TM 2:13). It does NOT mean that God can perform logical absurdities, such as creating a rock too large for Him to move. Omnipotence or sovereignty also means that human MFW has limits with regard to how it can contradict God’s will. God provides morally competent humans the ability to resist His intentional will and plan of salvation (POS) within limits, such as the time limit that will end with death, resurrection (the last miracle) and judgment (per HB 9:27)–called His permissive will.

2. God’s power is equivalent to His omniscience. Jeremiah wrote that “God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom.” (JR 10:12) Many NT passages refer to God as the source of true wisdom (e.g., ACTS 6:3, 1CR 1:25, CL 2:2-3, JM 1:5). God’s infinitely superior knowledge is extolled in Romans 11:33-34 (echoing IS 40:13-14) and Daniel 2:20-23.

Omniscience includes knowledge of people’s thoughts (PS 94:11, MT 12:25) and the foreknowledge of events (ACTS 2:23, RM 8:29, 11:2, 1PT 1:2). Some people think that God even knows what a person will be/do before that person exists (JR 1:5). If this view is correct, it must be maintained that God’s foreknowledge does not predetermine a person’s spiritual choice regarding the satisfaction of God’s requirement for salvation or else moral responsibility would be abrogated. I find it simpler to think that God merely tweaks the river of history occasionally to keep if flowing in the direction He intends but allows the fish to swim as they wish. God allows eddies in the river of salvation.

3. Omnipotence is connected with omnitemporality (in RV 1:18): “I am the Apha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Romans 1:20 refers to God’s “eternal power”, and Jeremiah 10:10&16 names God “the Lord Almighty”, who is true, living and eternal.

4. God’s infinite power implies omnipresence (per PS 139:7-8). God transcends spatial existence while being immanent in all points of space. (Other scriptural support for this view includes 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:33, ACTS 17:27-28 and EPH 4:6.) God’s superiority over His creation must be viewed as a matter of degree or quantitatively in order to preserve the continuity between God and humanity that would be requisite for communication (like the need for a common language and culture cited in Part I). However, the Bible teaches that God also differs from creatures in kind or qualitatively, so that attaining equality with Deity is impossible (IS 55:9, EPH 3:19). We can be like God (GN 3:3), and we can become one with the Son of God (JN 17:21-23), but we cannot become God (cf. Humanism).

In addition to the omni-attributes related to power, Paul referred to God’s “nature” (in RM 1:20), which may be described in three ways: love, truth and justice. These often are called the moral attributes of God.

5. The Bible says that God is love and true love comes from God (1JN 4:7-21, RM 5:5), so volitional creatures or souls can love only by reflecting, imitating or cooperating with the Creator’s love. Although the Bible speaks of God hating Esau (ML 1:3) and other evil people (HS 9:15), Jesus’ teaching of love for enemies (MT 5:44) reveals that God loves all creatures including Satan but hates their sinful choices.

It seems logical to assume that the all-loving God would create the best possible world or one in which the greatest percentage of persons may attain ultimate joy (1TM 2:3-4, 2PT 3:9). God may have created all possible kinds of worlds simultaneously: the world of dead matter, the world of living plants, the world of intelligent animals, and the world of morally accountable souls/humans. God’s world/way is best.

6. The Bible teaches that God is truth (JN 1:17, 8:40, 15:26, 17:17), so all truth is from God and manifests God’s Spirit. If any atheists are truthseekers, then they are not far from the kingdom of God (MK 12:34, 2THS 2:10, JN 18:37), because Jesus promised that those who seek will find (LK 11:9&13). Of course, if the truth is that there is no God or heaven, then what we believe is no more significant than the ideology of a rock or some other evolved collection of atoms (ECC 3:20)! Truth or God’s Word is represented in the Bible as light (JN 1:1-9), which also signifies God’s glory (LK 2:9).

7. The Bible also teaches that God is just (RM 3:25-26, 9:14, 2THS 1:6). This doctrine is called theodicy. It means that we should be careful lest our explanations of God’s will seem unloving or unfair. If a person cannot explain how a loving God could order the execution of babies (JSH 6:17, 8:2), then possibly He did not do so. Synonyms for justness include righteousness and goodness (IS 5:16).

Atheists have a negative or even demonic conception of God, which may be caused or reinforced by the words and deeds of those who claim to be theists (RM 2:24, 2PT 2:2). Who would want to believe in such a God? Rather than reject a caricature of God, an atheist should imagine the most perfect, loving and just God that he/she can, and choose to disbelieve in that benevolent Being, if good reason to do so can be found. God is NOT demonic!

What a person believes about the moral attributes of God affects how he or she interprets God’s Word in the Bible, which is called “hermeneutics”. A Scripture-based hermeneutic begins by believing that a person should triangulate from the NT teachings about love and justness in order to arrive at a correct understanding of problematic OT statements:

First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4, ACTS 17:26-28); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).

Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (PS 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). This affirms both that God is sovereign and that God chooses not to control moral thinking, because doing so would nullify human responsibility for sin, making the biblical revelation of salvation based on repentance irrelevant and absurd.

Something smells off here.

Going All in that you've been here before.

I've seen you try this dance multiple times before under different pseudonyms.

I'm glad I'm not a Catholic, nor a Protestant. Therefore I can worship the Lord one on one, in Spirit and in truth without the hampering of dogma holding me back.
It's entirely possible that, if we're not careful folks, we could be "straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel" here. Just sayin...
Salvation is a personal thing, and knowing how to live out that salvation comes from the word of God, and nowhere else.
Phil:2:12: Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. (KJV)

I agree with your sentiment, although I have found that going out on your own makes you alone--a lone black sheep, as it were--who does not fit in with many church folks, although we should keep trying. Actually, the folks who attend church purely for fellowship might not even notice doctrinal difference if one is willing to keep a low profile/refrain from sharing/shut up!

Please don't misunderstand my sentiments, I never said we should be a lone wolf so to speak. The Lord's people are sheep, and as sheep need to flock together, otherwise the wolves will sure enough eat them up. We should have a home with like minded brothers and sisters in Christ. No doubt about that. "Forsake not the assembling".

Yep, only one way. "I am the way, the truth and the life" Jesus said, or was that light? Either way, it's the truth for sure...

Thank you for the ? if anyone should, by anyone else's view(s) then free choice to choose is taken away and one becomes a puppet of others
Therefore you choose, to believe God just loves you too or not, thank you for me God just loves me and I do not go to any Church building for me at least. I see the Temple destroyed first in AD 70 and the new Church is in me given me by God to simply just love all as am loved first by God for me to not harm anyone else as buildings have and still do that, unfortunately
As I see the building destroyed and me to simply just love all, thank you

Yes, I was just mentioning that the assembly may forsake or not fellowship very well with someone who disagrees with parts of its dogma. (Is "it takes two to tango" in the Bible somewhere? :^)

In my case, I have found that my preference for sermons or studies that delve more deeply or systematically into doctrines (and apply them to real life including politics rather than for long emotional music or prayer services) is problematic.

You will be held accountable for what you believe. not what others think.

I would make sure you get it right. But don;t discount others. You could be wrong..