Understanding God’s election

I'm in the middle of the football game. I will figure out who's going to eat crow later.

I do have a different take on it.

We are physically born dichotomous......Body and soul.

When we are made a new Creation/born again in Christ we become trichotomous.......body, soul and spirit. I do see this as our spirit was dead(spiritually) and is made alive the moment we personally believe/trust in Christ.

And I do believe we are born condemned. This sounds bad on the surface, but it is a blessing in disguise. Whatever is condemned.......is savable! The moment we are born, God condemns us(we have done nothing wrong) that means the moment we are born......we are savable! He can have mercy on ANYONE.....babies, mentally ill and anyone who cannot make a rational choice for Christ.

You should be afraid of endlessly condemning every human being except yourself with ghoulish glee.

Yes I see this matter very much the same as you sister

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You have proven what kind of person you are.....

That is what I have been after. Thank you.

Probably not a good idea from a good hermeneutics perspective to use David and his emotional outpouring as he contemplates life as a definitive statement regarding fallen man.

The way the calvinists keep driving home their issue about we were dead, and unable to be made able by God to believe?

That God must regenerate men first before we can believe?

Is a new angle on making God out to be Dr. Frankenstein.

God moved David to write what He wanted written, as He did with all of the Bible.

Yes He did but we still have to understand it correctly and it is not to be interpreted as a definitive doctrinal statement.

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands
condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

And what is the correct understanding?

And you just confirmed it.

If these "Reformed Calvinites" would only read the book of Job and if they could actually understand it, they would realize that this question has been totally resolved in God's favor.

There is no hedge, there is no coercion, there is no robotic programming, Satans claims that God is tilting to Roulette wheel, and that He is a cosmic villain are proven to be bogus, case closed.

Their foolish talk is basically Satans leftovers warmed over.

“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭


The apostle Paul

“After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

…..Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:7-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It is rather obvious that the doctrine never changes and Paul eas one of twelve apostles chosen sent by Jesus preaching the one and only gospel

Right sister and nO one is born a non believer … we can’t believe or not believe the gospel until we hear the gospel