God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

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Dino246

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Yes they did. They had Levitical cities with surrounding land to grow crops and raise livestock

Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give also unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them. And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the suburbs of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts. Numbers 35:2-3
True... though from what I read in Scripture, they did not own the land the same way members of other tribes owned the land. :)
 

wattie

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Certainly this, but a reasonable salary, not what these megachurch pastors make.

Why? Churches proved during COVID that a building isn't required to meet

This can be done directly to the missionaries and more likely brings greater oversight and accountability.

How 19th Century of you. Today it would be electronics required for video and broadcast.

10 percent is much more than is required to fund a church.

U.S. Christians collectively make $5.2 trillion annually, and give on average $884 per year. The church seems to be getting by just fine with that.
I know a building isn't required to meet, man! I'm saying that is a common thing for a church to pay rent (or mortgage for).

Stationery would obviously include electronic stuff also.

I still don't see how 10 percent isn't the usual standard of giving in both OT and NT. Of course not legalistically giving.. but by a desire to give to God.

Small churches can struggle financially. I know from experience. One I was with got by from having sponsorship from other churches. That isn't ideal, because the church is kind of dependent on the other churches for support, but I guess when a church is small in number, this is very helpful.
 

NightTwister

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I know a building isn't required to meet, man! I'm saying that is a common thing for a church to pay rent (or mortgage for).

Stationery would obviously include electronic stuff also.

I still don't see how 10 percent isn't the usual standard of giving in both OT and NT. Of course not legalistically giving.. but by a desire to give to God.

Small churches can struggle financially. I know from experience. One I was with got by from having sponsorship from other churches. That isn't ideal, because the church is kind of dependent on the other churches for support, but I guess when a church is small in number, this is very helpful.
10% isn't necessary. If churches actually suggested what was really needed, I think more people would give. Right now in the U.S. it's less than 10%.
 
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Christ fulfilled the Law and Prophets for as, the people
Matthew 5:17 he came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. He fulfilled its in John 19:30, then risen the third day where the new life in the risen Christ from God Father is offered all to choose to believe God or not
So choose I have and I bet you too, thank you
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The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.as in Matthew 5:17.

But we never saw him fulfilling the law same as the people of today fulfill.

Since The Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Therefore the law in Tithes and Offerings is also Spiritual, it can't be seen.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
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While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.as in Matthew 5:17.

But we never saw him fulfilling the law same as the people of today fulfill.

Since The Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Therefore the law in Tithes and Offerings is also Spiritual, it can't be seen.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
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While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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How do we fulfill the law in Tithes & Offerings that can't be seen?
No one in this world could explain how but the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
MARK 4:34
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But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

REVELATION 5:1-5
5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
 

homwardbound

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The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.as in Matthew 5:17.

But we never saw him fulfilling the law same as the people of today fulfill.

Since The Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Therefore the law in Tithes and Offerings is also Spiritual, it can't be seen.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
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While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
This be why belief is a key that opens the door to reality of the unseen. Belief in God Father and risen Son fro anyone to see through the veil and ne real in humility, thanks
 

Dino246

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I still don't see how 10 percent isn't the usual standard of giving in both OT and NT. Of course not legalistically giving.. but by a desire to give to God.
10% was never the standard for giving in either testament. Under the Sinai covenant, tithing was not "giving"; it was mandatory surrender of agricultural goods by agricultural producers (not by everyone), and under the new covenant, there is no percentage either required or suggested... anywhere.

If a person is giving out of a desire to give, they aren't "tithing", because "tithing" involves a specific percentage. Further, if they think they're doing something righteous by giving 10% of your income, they've lost the plot.

Small churches can struggle financially. I know from experience. One I was with got by from having sponsorship from other churches. That isn't ideal, because the church is kind of dependent on the other churches for support, but I guess when a church is small in number, this is very helpful.
There's nothing wrong with a more-established congregation financially "carrying" a small church plant for a while until it is self-sustaining. Imposing an unbiblical requirement on members is not the right way to finance a ministry. Even suggesting that people give 10% is unbiblical.

And yes, I meant "unbiblical" because tithing of money, whether mandatory or voluntary, is not a biblical thing.
 

Dino246

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How do we fulfill the law in Tithes & Offerings that can't be seen?
No one in this world could explain how but the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
MARK 4:34
34
But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

REVELATION 5:1-5
5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Your interpretations are hogwash.
 

ResidentAlien

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Modern-day tithing is just a symptom of the worldly mindset that infects most "churches." Focus on what's important spiritually and the cash will take care of itself.
 

wattie

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Your interpretations are hogwash.
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I appreciate what you are doing because;

First; you are proving what a man could understand in the word of God. It is purely literal.

Second; You are commenting with my post because you are reading my sharing.
I'm not expecting you to believe right now but reading my post is much appreciated.

Please keep on commenting and following with my sharing.

LUKE 6:22
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Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
 

Dino246

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I appreciate what you are doing because;

First; you are proving what a man could understand in the word of God. It is purely literal.

Second; You are commenting with my post because you are reading my sharing.
I'm not expecting you to believe right now but reading my post is much appreciated.

Please keep on commenting and following with my sharing.

LUKE 6:22
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Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
It sounds like you have a martyr complex. That's pretty common among cultists and other deluded people. You seem to think you're the only one who is capable of understanding Scripture; that's another common problem among cultists and deluded people.
 
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It sounds like you have a martyr complex. That's pretty common among cultists and other deluded people. You seem to think you're the only one who is capable of understanding Scripture; that's another common problem among cultists and deluded people.
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Please keep on commenting and following with my sharing.
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.as in Matthew 5:17.

But we never saw him fulfilling the law same as the people of today fulfill.

Since The Law is Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Therefore the law in Tithes and Offerings is also Spiritual, it can't be seen.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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God the Father commanded the Law for Tithes & Offerings.
In man's understanding it is very clear what a 10% is.

But this is God the Father the way he Speaks.
EZEKIEL 20:49
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Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

PSALMS 78:2
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I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Tithes & Offerings is a Parable and a Dark Saying of Old.
 

Dino246

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God the Father commanded the Law for Tithes & Offerings.
In man's understanding it is very clear what a 10% is.

But this is God the Father the way he Speaks.
EZEKIEL 20:49
49
Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

PSALMS 78:2
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I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Tithes & Offerings is a Parable and a Dark Saying of Old.
Let me introduce you to a key component in the right interpretation of Scripture: context. Ignore it to your peril.
 

gb9

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Let me introduce you to a key component in the right interpretation of Scripture: context. Ignore it to your peril.
or ignore context to build your own theology...
 

Everlasting-Grace

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the tithe was prety much an income tax for the jews to be given to the levites to take care of the work of God. because levites were not allowed to work.

The fact paul worked to earn his own money as a tent maker prety much proves that this is not a thing the NT church was required to do.

There is no tithe in the NT, And the tith is not money, it is goods and money..
 
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the tithe was prety much an income tax for the jews to be given to the levites to take care of the work of God. because levites were not allowed to work.
It definitely was not an income tax. It was the tenth animal or measure of grain that was produced on the land in a given year. If only 9 animals were born, no tithe was paid because it was only the 10th animal that passed under the counting rod that was holy to God. Citizens who didn't raise animals or crops didn't pay tithes.

Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’” Leviticus 17:32-33
 

GWH

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or ignore context to build your own theology...
Context = letting Scripture interpret Scripture and using right reasoning (informed by GW, especially the NT) with humility.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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It definitely was not an income tax. It was the tenth animal or measure of grain that was produced on the land in a given year. If only 9 animals were born, no tithe was paid because it was only the 10th animal that passed under the counting rod that was holy to God. Citizens who didn't raise animals or crops didn't pay tithes.

Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’” Leviticus 17:32-33
so then the person who only had 9 animals would not have to pay the income tax.